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MURDERED: Tylee Ryan & J.J. Vallow Part 2

by Erika Meisel & Allyson Squitiro
May 17th 2021

As we found out in Episode 1 Part 1, Tylee Ryan and J.J. Vallow went missing in September 2019 and are found deceased in June 2020. Continue listening to see why all clues lead police to two people... More

Welcome to cry my caffeine. I'm your host Erica and I'm your host Alison. Thank you so much for tuning into Part two of the lorry value case today. We'll be sipping on some thank the goat coffee. Just some normal brewed pot coffee with some good old almond milk creamer in it. Trust me, it's really good. I got mine on amazon and if you hear some snoring in the background, that's just our dog, detective gusts taking a snooze all. I just wanted to mention something before we get into part two of this case. If we say something that is incorrect or we forgot to mention something or you guys have any questions or comments or anything, please head over to our website and leave us some feedback. We really appreciate anything that you have to say. Um we don't care if you're telling us that we did something wrong. Just be nice about it. But we really appreciate the feedback. Yeah, it's just crime on caffeine dot com if you're wondering. And all of our social media's are also just crime on caffeine twitter instagram facebook. Check us out.

Okay, so let's get into part two of Lori val Oh chad gable And these missing Children. So just a little refresher in part one, we talked about Lori, her childhood, her crazy family that hates the government. We went through all of her marriages and her shadiness surrounding the disappearance of her Children. The last part we left off with was december when the police officially announced that highly and JJ were missing and that their disappearance might be linked to tammy dabbles, suspicious death. Remember tammy is chad's ex wife, she died under suspicious circumstances and they exhumed her body. Um just like a couple weeks before that. So the day after they announced that they were missing chad and Lori were named persons of interest in the case. Um just a reminder, this does not mean that they're suspects. It just means that they could possibly be involved or know something about the crime, but they haven't been charged or arrested with anything.

So, about a week later, the Rexburg Police Department issued a statement claiming that they had information that proves that Lori either knows where the kids are or knows what happened to them. And they said that both chad and Lori were refusing to cooperate whatsoever and they said it was astonishing. Um, They said that Lori just chose to flee the state with chad instead of assisting in the investigation. Oh, makes sense. Good decision. I just like if your Children were missing, it probably leaving the state probably doesn't make you look so done with her already. I just want her to go to jail. It's like that Tiktok go to jail. At this point, they're just making themselves look totally guilty. And a few days later, the Rexburg police showed up to the home that chad and tammy shared and he now lived here with Lori. But they showed up to his house with a search warrant And they searched the house, there was a shed and a barn behind the home. And they used metal detectors to search around the yard and they collected over 40 pieces of possible evidence.

They collected computers, phones, journals, documents, medications and knowing Laurie, she probably had some incriminating things in there because she doesn't care if people she's guilty because she doesn't think she's going to get in trouble. She's shown up, Doesn't. So at this point, members from every side of this family, we're now getting involved and there are a lot of sides, K and Larry issued a press release offering $20,000 for any information that might lead to the Children At this point, chad's brother Matt also spoke up. He claimed that because of the Children missing and tammy suspicious death, that he had to say something. He was saying that he texted chad several times and chad would not answer him. He didn't even know about chad's marriage to Lori until a neighbor told him, oh my God. Yeah. So these two are just living in that portal. They're basically living in this portal. They don't give like any fucks. But he pleaded for chad to cooperate with the investigation. He said that he and his parents had little to no contact with chad due to his crazy religious beliefs.

And just after he wrote all those books, they were just like, yeah, they probably run like to talk to you in the epilogue and we're like, oh, never mind. So around the same time, body cam footage of the day Charles was murdered was released. So remember Charles Vala was husband number four and he was murdered because Laurie's brother, Alex claimed it was self defense, which I don't believe for a second. No, you're not alone in that. So the video related showed the aftermath of the shooting where the officers were talking to Alex about the incident. Um it showed that Alex and Lori statements contradicted each other. So I'm just going to read some of the dialogue from this video. The police officer said what happened today? How did it get to this? And Alex said, I don't know he was enraged and he told the investigators that the two Children Thailand, JJ and Lori had left the house shortly before the shooting occurred. He said it was over my sister, he was getting physical with her so my niece came out with her bat and he took the bat a wave with her Tiley came out with a bat.

So that's what Alex just said, but the officer said wait a minute, I thought you said your niece left because he literally just said oh my God the kids and Lori left before it happened, oh my gosh and he said she did, this was before. No that doesn't make any sense. No so he said he grabbed Charles from behind and they fell to the ground and when Alex got back up he explains how he gets hit in the back of the head, he said I turned around and he hit me in the back of the head with a bat. So I went to my room and got my gun because I always carry it in his room, he always carries it in his room. Yeah. He said that. He warned Charles to drop the bat before shooting him twice in the chest. I just see like when you say it like that, it doesn't sound like self defense. It doesn't, I warned him, man, don't do it. The footage shows the officers investigating the inside of the home when they find Charles body on the ground. And it also shows Laurie returning to the scene in Charles rental car and she meets with police and she talks to them.

They took the audio of that conversation out of the video. I don't really know why, but the report said that moments before the shooting, Laurie heard the gunshot and walked from the kitchen to the living room and found Charles body so clearly they didn't leave before. It had to say how could she do that if she was gone? So she checks on the kids in the car and then she almost went back inside, but then she just drove off with the kids, got it okay. And then I was called 911 after that. But that was Laurie's reaction to her husband dying being murdered right in front of her and her two Children who would have been traumatized for the rest of their lives. Oh my God. Yeah. What they would have they have been so traumatized and just watching your mom be so nonchalant about that. I can't imagine how that would yeah. Like I don't know, imagine like your dad dies and your mom's like, oh no, let's have a pool party because that was, they ended up having a party that night.

They had a party. My God, I really wish that we knew like how the kids reacted to this and like what they were thinking. So I said earlier that they fled the state once they announced that the kids were missing. So law enforcement eventually finds them at the end of january and they were in Hawaii that girl loves Hawaii and she do love, she do be loving, she's taking all her men's there. So she was served with a court order stating that she must produce highly and JJ to the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare or the Rexburg Police Department in five days, which would be january 30th. And then the next day they got warrants to search their rental car in Hawaii and the rental town home. They were saying that they were still refusing to cooperate whatsoever. And meanwhile back in Arizona K and Larry were filing for guardianship of J. J. Oh my God, I know, it literally breaks my heart. Uh I want to see at this point he was seven.

Okay. I was still really young. I know. I really hope that like they don't feel guilty or at fault for. Yeah I hope so too. Also again if you hear some snoring in the background, guess is he has not had his caffeine this morning. He just passed out on a pink fuzzy, he's so loud. I don't understand. He's like faces smushed into the carpet right now. He can't even breathe in the first place. He's a french bulldog. He's just smashing his face in. So sorry about the snoring. But back to lori val. Oh I bet you couldn't even guess this. But crazy enough she didn't comply with the court order and she didn't bring the kids. I didn't see that one coming. So within the next week they were actually able to obtain footage from that storage unit. Oh the one her and her brother kept going to so they got access to the storage unit and they got the security footage. So inside the unit there were bikes scooter, winter clothing.

There was a photo album with pictures of the kids. There were sports equipment, there was a backpack with JJ's initials on it and a jersey that said Colby Ryan on the back. It was like J. J. He had it was like his brothers. Yeah because they weren't from the same father obviously. But Colby did consider JJ his brother like they were such a blended family but they all loved each other like all the kids. Um There were also this is really sad. They're also blankets, two blankets set out and each blanket had a picture of each child. Kind of looks like a little like memorial like the two kids. Oh my God. Uh I can't. So you want to hear some crazy, crazy if I haven't heard any already. This is remember her niece Melanie? She was married to Brandon and they got divorced because she was crazy at this point, Melanie had moved to Idaho with Ian her new husband.

We talked a little bit about him touched during this time. I don't know how this keeps happening but Melanie and Brandon are in the middle of a custody battle. And Ian and his ex wife, Natalie are also in the middle of a custody battle just happening at the same time. And Melanie moved right next door to Lori. The custody battle was a lot came out and a lot about Lori and chad came out and Brandon provided a lot of documents and Natalie, Ian's ex wife got some documents from Ian's computer of some court records, things that he was saying to attorneys about chan Laurie. So Brandon currently had possession of the Children. He said that when Melanie left Arizona, she just picked up in the middle of the night and she took all the kids things and just left them on the sidewalk. Like even items that were like brand new things that were really expensive. Like she just left it all. They're packed up and just leave. Yeah. So Brandon said if Mellie had any intention of ever having her Children again, one would think she would have taken their belongings along with her.

So that's why he was like, he did not want her to have possession of the kids at all. Gosh, no, it sounds, he said, first of all her sharing the same beliefs as Laurie, he did not want his kids around that. And second he's I thought that Melanie knew what happened to the Children so he was like, no way she's going to be around my Children. He also told the courts that before the Children went missing, Laurie stated that their bodies had been possessed by demons. Oh um and and was talking to attorneys about this as well. He was saying that he tried to keep an open mind about Melanie's believes at first and at first it was fun. But then he described it as being very done dragon dungeons and dragons. Is that I think that was the game dragons and I think drag dungeons and dragons. Yeah. So that's kind of what he described it as he said. That Melanie stated that she believed Brandon was possessed by a demon as well. She had talked about this with chad and Lori because they were the ones who kind of made her believe in that because they said to her like our kids are possessed, well Lori's kids are possessed and so they told her that something needed to happen to Brandon to let his spirit progress and for the Lord's plan to continue.

And she said she didn't take well to the idea of her husband dying as part of the Lord's plan. But she also didn't think someone would actually try and kill him. And if we remember in part one, someone did try to kill him while driving deceased Charles valleys car. Yeah let's cox and she said that because john Laurie told her Brandon needed to die because he was possessed. That she believed they thought the same about the kids and that the kids needed to die to sounds good. Sounds very logical. Not crazy at all. Like I don't I don't even have words right now either. I just really, I guess I, I guess you had to be there. I don't know I had to be there. He did. I mean it makes no sense whatsoever. Everybody's possessed and they must die. Except me. I am not possessed. I'm just crazy. There was a lot more in these documents. The stuff that they were saying was crazy.

They had stats on which a person was ranked by his or her levels of vibration. Trustworthiness and light and dark percentage. How do you know the light and dark advantage of somebody? How do you know there's a zombie possessing your kids also? What's my vibration? I don't know. You have good vibes and this is where they spoke about how their Children have been possessed by a demon or a warmer slug. Oh yeah. The slugs. Yeah. This loves didn't they said that when people become possessed by these demons or worms or slugs the original spirit is pushed out of the body and trapped in limbo. So that's why you need to kill them so that the spirit can move forward. Okay. And they also claim that there are 50 dark translated beings in the world and two of them happen to be from the Rexburg pd the two officers who were investigating them. It just I feel like it just gets wackier. Every time they said things come out here they said those beings cannot die, cannot reproduce, do not need food or sleep and do not feel sorrow of the world.

So basically they're vampires, she's watching everything's vampire are aware of right now you become a vampire slugs and something I was thinking about is why was he in still with her? He said at that point after the whole explanation about the demons and everything, he started to become worried but he was telling himself like there's no way I just married into a situation that was so sinister. He said he spent the next two days trying to justify his actions and reassure himself that everything was fun but he couldn't get to that point. And then every morning everything's fine after that his ex wife Natalie went to the police about Melanie because she was so concerned for the safety of the Children that she shared because Melanie was going to be around her kids now. So the police actually gave Ian a device to secretly record his phone conversations with chad and Lori or Melanie's phone conversations with them.

But they didn't ever capture anything that was substantial. And he eventually admitted to Melanie that had been talking to the police. She kind of came to the conclusion that she really wasn't sure if she still believed in all of this. Well, good. I'm glad she's like second guessing herself a little bit here. So it's February 20, And Lori is finally arrested in Hawaii on a $5 million arrest warrant from Madison county Ohio Ohio from Madison county Idaho. She was charged with two felony counts of desertion. Nonsupport of dependent Children. And then she was charged for some misdemeanors too. So she was charged for resisting or obstructing officers, criminal solicitation to commit a crime which is arrests and seizures and then willful disobedience of court or proper order, Take a contempt of court, that's what that means if you hear that. So she appeared in front of the court in Hawaii the following day and she was trying to have her bail reduced and you'll see this come up a lot and the request was denied multiple times.

She waved her extradition from Hawaii to Idaho, which meant that they wouldn't have an extradition hearing. She would just go back ASAP. Um So chat returned to Idaho on the 29th and she returned on March 5th and she was taken to jail and was set to appear in court the following day. So magistrate Judge Barone Eddins agreed to have lorries bill reduced to $1 million. She was unable to post bond so she stayed in jail pocket change. So we have some interesting tea spilled by a woman who shared somebody sell or some c as in cry. Yeah. So anyway, I can't not say it. So I think I'm a genius and I don't care what you say. Okay, I'll give you that all that we are about to spill some tea Nazi. So this woman shared a cell with Lori for like a few days, like three or four, I think it was. And she refers to her as Debo just throwing that out there because I still call her bello. Yeah, me too.

So, she said that she was super upbeat and friendly and that she never showed any sign of heartbreak. Never cried. Wasn't disappointed. And she actually opened up about how glad she was that she was no longer in jail in Hawaii. She said jail in Hawaii was so bad that there were roaches and it was awful. And that jail in Madison County was so nice compared to that. And the food was amazing. Okay, go off and trying to go. You got mac and cheese. What you got. The woman who shared the cell with her was saying that she was so aware of everything going on. And she loved it, loved it. Yeah, Laurie was saying we have the death of Kobe Bryant and Covid. But no, there's me, I'm the lead story. I'm more important than all that stuff. She thinks she's more important than the Kobe Bryant. Trust me, I followed this case but I did not hear about this more than I heard about co bid or Kobe Bryant. She she truly thinks she's something else.

Well, she's chosen by God. Oh, you're right. She was carrying out the mission. He also told her to go on. Really fortunate she is wonderful. one of a kind, truly something else. But her cell mate said that she knew she was the main story and she loved it and she said she was showing off her blue toenail polish. She was complaining about her dry skin. All she was worried about was what she looked like and what she would look like in court because she was saying that she knew how big of a deal the hearing was and that she looked forward to it after she had the hearing she returned to herself few hours later and she wanted her cell mate to watch the news with her. And as they turned it on she was like here it comes, here is my story. Turn it up. Let's see what they say about me now. Oh my gosh she's such a narcissist. I can this is like peak narcissistic personality disorder. This is passed mental illness.

Yeah she's gone. She's G. O. N. She's in the portal. So every time that she would go out with her lawyers her cell mate would say are you bonding out? And she would say I hope so. And the cell mate said that before one of the meetings when she'd asked her that she ran, Laurie ran her fingers from her head down to her body and said we'll see if all this is worth $1 million. Oh I can't make this shit up. I'm just at a loss for work. She she said body the soul mate said that she talked on the phone with Colby Like almost two days straight without stopping. And after the big entrance at her arraignment, she got on the phone with Colby and said I didn't see you in the courtroom. There were just so many people and like that's all she cared about. And he just kept on asking mom where JJ and highly why won't you tell us what's going on? Like she wouldn't say she's a monster.

Yeah. So the cell mate said that she never heard Laurie discussed where the kids could be. Instead she would talk about memories from the past or ask Kobe to show her his baby. When Koby was frustrated that she wasn't cooperating with him. The cell mate said that Laurie would tell him to read the scriptures and she would say Colby, just listen to me. Everyone wants to know but it's none of their business. God doesn't judge me and they shouldn't judge me. The prophet says to stay off social media. So don't go on there. I can't I'm done with her. Judge Eddins then move the preliminary hearing from being in mid March to being in mid May. So Lori's attorney Mark means filed a motion asking for Judge Eddins to be removed from the case. He didn't specify why evidence approved the motion and removed himself. He was like, see uh I'm out of here, I can also whack I'm done. Yeah. So a couple weeks later her attorney filed a motion requesting that her bill be reduced again and he said it was due to there being new evidence coming to light.

We still don't know what that would be. Yeah, there was never any, definitely nothing to make her look, it isn't. The Idaho Attorney General's office was investigating Laurie and chad for conspiracy, attempted murder and more murder. So she appeared back in core on May 1st and once again asked for a bail reduction of course. And this time her attorney said it was due to the fact that the jail recorded a private conversation between them and that was a violation of their constitutional rights. So now we have Judge Michelle Mallard and she said, no bitch, That body audie is still worth $1 million. So the next week Alex cox's autopsy was released and it said that he died of natural causes. Just like everybody else in this story seems to have died of natural causes. I don't get it. I don't know. But I also don't really care how he died. I don't either. He did not seem like my kind of guy. So the morning of june 9th Rexburg Police Department, FBI and Fremont County Sheriff's Office served a search warrant at chad's home.

A few hours later they uncovered unidentified human remains and a few days later they confirmed the remains were of Thailand JJ at chad Day Bell's house buried at Chatham house. Because remember what he used to do for a living? Oh he was a freaking grave person. He was a grave there. No. Oh yeah. Really really sad. They said that the remains were basically unidentifiable. They said they were decomposed. Dismembered, burned and bagged like garbage burned. Oh discussing makes me sick. Yeah, I just got chills. Uh Like those are your babies. She truly you did all those things and you bagged them like garbage. Those are your babies like itching. Like knock and one of those isn't even your child. Like fuck you literally big old fuck you.

So a couple hours later they took chad into custody and he was booked in the fremont County jail on two felony charges of concealment distribution or alteration of evidence. So the next day he appeared in virtual court because of Covid and his bail was set at one million. And then on june 29th they charged Laurie with the same thing. Oh my God. So now that this news came out, people started to set up memorials along the fence where they were found and they were holding vigils in the town And it was just really sad. So on July two, the prosecutors dismissed the two felony counts of desertion and non support of Children against Laurie. Um She obviously didn't desert them because they were dead. She didn't desert them. She, in my opinion, this has not been ruled yet. I think she killed them. What I think would you come to that conclusion? What you don't say so? So On July 15, she pleads not guilty to those misdemeanors from before. She can eat my shorts.

I mean eat them. She's she would never she's never going to plead guilty to anything because she is above the law. So she thinks that's how she was raised a mess. Her father did her a disservice a mess. She was brainwashed from the beginning. Now look at her uh sitting in a jail cell, telling them that she deserves to have a cell phone marathon. So chad's preliminary hearing was scheduled for august 3rd and fourth of 2020. And Judge Edin said that they had enough probable cause for the case to advance the district court that it did. Laurie waved her preliminary trial that was set for like the next week. So it just automatically moved on district court. Which is weird because you think that she would want to have her little moment in the spotlight for a little 15 Minutes of Fame. So chad was arraigned on the 21st and he pleads not guilty. And the next week his attorney literally asked the judge to throw out the entire case.

Yeah. Hey um can you just do me a favor, Just forget about this whole thing. What do you say? Yeah, it's not even that bad. Just throw it out. What do you say? Yeah. He said there was not enough sufficient evidence. The bodies were buried in your backyard sir. I don't I don't know if you know you dug grapes were living like who else would it be? You know what? No evidence. I'll throw it out. No one else lives in that house because he killed her. So true. So at the same time that this is happening, this was really exciting. But police back in Arizona said that they're seeking a conspiracy to commit murder charge against Laurie in the death of her late husband. Oh so now everybody is realizing that everybody around Miss Lori just somehow magically died. They said that Laura had always been a person of interest in the investigation and they couldn't confirm the exact date or timeline when the case would be sent over. And they said that an estimate is 4-6 months.

They said they're in no rush at all. Um they said that the detective still had search warrants and subpoenas out in this case and they're going over 100,000 pieces of digital data. So I didn't really find anything else about this. Um like I know in February they said that they were still investigating so I think it's definitely going to take awhile but hopefully we know soon. So on september 1st the prosecutor filed a motion asking to combine their cases. He said that having both cases at once would be more efficient since he was going to charge them with the same things, They have the same evidence and they have the same witnesses. So why not? Just makes it easier? Yeah, chad said fuck no I don't want that. Laurie said she didn't care and the judge also granted Laurie permission to her street clothing. She had to like fine for her case. She said, I gotta show out, what are you talking about, I don't want to be wearing this jumps, can we just focus on the dead Children in your backyard and not because I want to wear a skirt Alright, it's unreal.

So her Raymond was like a week and a half after that was on september 10th in District Court and she pled not guilty and then in november that audio was released of her talking about how she wanted to kill her ex husband, joseph Ryan Judges believed him instead of me and he was constantly trying to get custody of my three year old daughter and just to rub it in my face and I went through a lot of years of this kind of hard stuff and I was going to murder him, I was going to kill him, like the scriptures say like if I killed it just to stop the pain and to stop him coming after me and to stop him coming after my Children. And I was just I just thought I couldn't take it anymore. And I would go through the scriptures and find all the things like if he comes against you want it comes against you twice. If it comes against you three times then you can kill him.

It says in the scriptures and there it is, there's my answer. I don't want to do anything that's wrong. I did not have a murderous heart. I just wanted to stop the bleeding and stop the pain. Now we're in 2021. This stuff happened so slowly just because it's court and also covid just gas loves everything down. So in january there was an audio recording that got released and it was between the prosecutor and Summer, Laurie's sister Summer. And the prosecutor was telling Summer that he planned to file conspiracy to commit murder charges against them. So that's good. On February four, the Fremont County Sheriff's Office said that TMS Autopsy was complete, but they didn't release any details about it. Why? I don't know. I think it's because they're still trying to connect the dots between this and the death of Children and how it connects the lorient chad and everything that happened. I think they're just trying to figure it out.

But they don't want to say anything because they don't know yet. And if they want to be able to charge them with something, they need all the facts. So the newly elected prosecuting attorney, Lindsay Blake requested that the investigation into her death be sent directly to her desk. This is in March. So they're still working on it. Clearly, they're still trying to figure out what's going on. So at the end of March, so this is like a couple weeks ago, the prosecutor rob wood added veteran homicide attorney Rachel smith to his team to assist in the case against chad devil, which means they are probably going for a murder charge or conspiracy to commit murder charge if they're going to add her to their team. The first week of april this was when they were supposed to be having the trial and they ended up, they all met on zoom and they said that they needed more time to examine the evidence so They pushed it to July 12.

But this could be a good thing because I think they're trying to gathering, you don't have enough evidence at all, then they're not going to be able to charge. So I think they just want to make sure they have everything they want to find a way to be able to connect them to tammy. They want to find a way to be able to connect them to the Children, which shouldn't be hard. No, considering they were in his backyard. Yeah, that's pretty much where we're at now. Um and this is still going on so we're going to have to, you know, have an update. We'll definitely have an update I think. Um The first part of the trial, like there's something in In June June 26 or something and then like the official start date is July 12 I think. So we'll definitely have some updates for you this summer. We'll probably have multiple updates because didn't something get pushed back to more like the fall or that was the june july okay. From, I thought I read something about fall but so we'll definitely have a lot of updates um, this summer, as Erika said, we will have a little addendum and if you have any information that you know of for this case that we haven't covered, just like we said in the beginning, go to our website crime on caffeine and let us know or you can tweet us or you can send us an instagram message, whatever you feel everything's just crime on caffeine.

Yes. So now we're going to get into the psychology of all of this. Yes, we mentioned last episode that we were going to try and give you profiles of the offenders are the victims, depending on what kind of case it is. So we just wanted to jump into a bit of the psychology behind all of this, Behind lorry, behind her dad and you know why she did the things that she did or the things that we think she did. So obviously religion played a huge role in this. She was raised to be super religious. She was mormon obviously she kind of took a step in a different direction in believing in all that she believed in and it kind of escalated a lot. That's going to the point where it's not really religion anymore. Exactly. But definitely seeing some key themes of narcissism and financial gain here. She had two husbands that she got rid of with Hefty life insurance policies, she stole that money from Charles from their bank account, $35,000.

Like she did not care about her husband's, she wanted the money and the money and fame. She wanted to make a name for herself. Wheel of Fortune, Miss texas. She wanted it all she did but she did not win. Mr texas, she's shown up dinner. She is not Miss texas. I don't know who won that year but congratulations and she is not more important than Covid or Kobe Bryant. Yeah that just I that's how you know that she's insane. Yeah a narcissist who just wants financial gain and freaking her name and big length. So we're going to have links to all the sources and everything on our website. But I just wanted to talk about one of them. It was called untangling the death web. So they talk about the female psychopath and they say that they tend to be more subtle and skillful in their aggression, in their exploitative relationships and in their manipulation of others, indicating that many of their harmful acts go largely unnoticed by the authority. It says exploitative.

Okay so that definitely describes Lori. She was skillful, skillful in her aggression. She used all of the men in her life to get something. Yeah. She manipulated everyone and she was able to steer clear authorities for a very long time until everything blew up. Until you murdered your kids. That's where I think you went wrong. Lori I think that's where you done fucked up. So the female psychopaths will have numerous marital relationships there sexually promiscuous and they will become criminals later in life. Yeah. This is off. Yeah. 10. There are more likely to kill partners or love interests or kill for financial gain and the second most likely group that they kill his Children or elderly just because they're powerless. Yeah, well she did both. She killed, well not technically her but somehow all of her husbands died.

C and that's how she's skillful and manipulative and she's able to go unnoticed by authorities because she's not the one that's doing the killing. But she definitely had them killed. It's very common for them to poisoned with cyanide or pills. Around half of female psychopaths have an accomplice and her brother and chad and chad. Yeah, because once your brother is dead, chad and how her brother die. Mm hmm, interesting. Did he know too much? Probably it also states that very often they murder for cults. That was the last thing that it said. Which is another check for her. She's checking a lot of boxes. She checked all of them. I checked them all off in my head for her. Don't worry, Laurie got your back. You are a psychopath. Congratulations. So untangling the death web also says that female psychopaths may not express the same emotional processing abnormalities as male psychopath.

So male psychopaths, they don't feel anything. Um, but with females there are still allowed to feel love, empathy and grieve at very very very low levels. Well I don't doubt that, I think she probably did love she had and I think she loved her Children to it just got to the point where her beliefs were so out of whack because she was expressing love for them, like she didn't want them to be around joseph Ryan because she believed he was a bad guy unless she was just making up that whole thing. I don't know, like I'm hoping that no I think you're right. Yeah, she had a little anybody bit of love. Yeah. Somewhere down deep, deep inside, I just think that no matter nothing is going to ever be able to compete with the love that she has for herself. So it doesn't matter if she loves her Children or she loves chat or she loves her brother Alex, like everyone is less than her.

Yeah and everyone is just replaceable and they're just like in the way they're just of the bigger plan. So I think that untangling the death web did an amazing job with their research. It was written by Andrea Cipriani. No we're going to link it on our website, she did three parts of this and it was so informative and it was great. Um and the research she did on the psychological profile was great too. But I definitely think everything with the female psychopath was spot on and I think so much of this came from her narcissistic father. I couldn't agree more. I think you're on the exact right path. And in our later episodes this year we will hopefully get some answers for you guys. Yeah definitely. And I really hope that they go through with being able to charge them for murder. Yeah. I mean it would be a tragedy if they didn't. And we'll definitely update you guys, if there's any news into Arizona police and their investigation into Charles's death and trying to connect Laurie to it.

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MURDERED: Tylee Ryan & J.J. Vallow Part 2
MURDERED: Tylee Ryan & J.J. Vallow Part 2
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