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Childbirth without drugs? Is hypnobirthing a safe alternative?

by Hypnosis Works!
May 27th 2021
Today we visit Angharad Parry who is a practicing hypnotherapist based in Wales. She tells us about hypnobirthing, how to use self-hypnosis in the birthing process as a safe alternative to going to a ... More
hypnosis works transforming the mind. Hi there, I'm Hendrick baird a practicing non medical hypnotherapist currently based in Pretoria South Africa. I'm always curious to learn more about hypnosis. And so I thought what better way to learn than to chat with other hypno therapists to gain some insights into what they do and how they work. So join me as we explore the fascinating world of the mind and of hypnosis. And joining me all the way from Wales today is Hang Herod Perry. Thank you so much for joining me on this podcast today. How is the weather in Wales? Changeable? Um sometimes sunny and other times really, really wet.

Yeah, so you've just come out of a session with a client. Tell me what sort of things do you help people with when you use hypnotherapy? Oh, sometimes it's easier to think what I don't help people with. I mean basically it's anything which is made worse by stress or anxiety. So my last session was with an older gentleman who has got Parkinson's and it's particularly interesting area because Parkinson's affects the dopamine production. And so with hypnosis and relaxation we can promote dopamine production. So we can not to make the Parkinson's worse. We can get him operating at his best. But that's a fairly more atypical. I generally help with his anxiety. It seems to me covert has also aggravated the anxiety. A lot of people have been speaking to saying that this has become the number one problem that they're seeing at the moment. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I mean I write a bit on some of my social media platforms and I think a lot about this in particular.

I think with Covid for us with our seasons, summer lockdown when it happened first off and it was much easier. People could go out more. There was even a sense that maybe life would slow down and we could take stock and we would get through this. But then with winter where people tend to suffer over in this part of the world more anyway, because the weather is so bad. Um, it's much harder. You know, you couldn't get out so much. You couldn't see people and all those sort of celebrations that we enjoyed meeting up parties, weddings, all of that, those gatherings of people, which we need because we're really social species with a year of not having that. And the winter, I think it's created a sort of perfect storm for our mental health. Really. Okay, so how long have you been in the hypnotherapy business? I was thinking about that actually, and I think it must be, I mean, actually qualified now for six years, but I got into it through hypno birthing.

So, I mean, I first sort of discovered it must be about 13 years ago now. So trained and qualified practicing for about six years but practicing it myself for about 13. Okay, so tell me about the training that you did the training institutes in your country and how does all of that work to get you to be? So it's quite an interesting, I mean, it's an unregulated profession. So you could set yourself up with nothing as a hypnotherapist, but you wouldn't be able to belong to any professional bodies. I trained, I got a diploma in solution focused hypnotherapy. And the solution focused, it was particularly important to me with some people, it was called the Clifton practice. And that was set up by David Newton, who he originally trained as a psychoanalyst, but found that all that sort of negative questioning and looking into the problems wasn't helping anybody. And he was sort of one of the early people in this our country here of solution focused work.

It was a years long diploma. You're saying it's not very regulated in Wales. Although in the UK, I've heard that there's a lot of regulation and you've got to belong to all sorts of bodies. And well, no, it's the UK. I mean because Wales, we operate in the UK, it's not regulated. It's a choice if I belong to three different three different professional bodies. Yes. And if you belong to a professional body, then it's very well regulated and that's basically why we do it to keep professional standards up and to make sure that there's a quality across the board, but if you don't belong to a professional body, you can still practice as a hypnotherapist? There is nothing to say, you can't Okay, so you were talking about hypno birthing now I find that extremely interesting and I have been reading up about that, that's the way you got into hypnosis. Do you go through a process like that yourself? Or was it just an interest that got you through there? Oh no, I did it myself. That's what got me into it.

I had never I never would have considered hypnotherapy, but when I became pregnant I suddenly thought back to all those, you know the classic sort of picture of giving birth which is you know, horrible. Um and suddenly realized that I know there's no way that I wanted to do that. And I did some research and came across hypno birthing and I did a hypno birthing course and to really easy birth at home. 2nd 1 without midwife. But that was only because we forgot to calm and which were a complete joint. And it made me realize that so many women have such an awful birth experience. And I had and it was I really enjoyed it. I just felt that it had been sort of stolen the experience that stolen from women and my kids were both in school. I decided I wanted to retrain. That's so interesting because I mean I've seen a video of somebody doing root canal with just hypnosis and people around me go like, oh that must be the worst possible experience.

But you look at that person and they seem so calm and then relaxed and that you know. Um And if you if you talk to women about hypno birthing, they also go, no no I want the drugs and the whole thing and like you say it it might be stealing uh such a valuable and precious experience from from a person and well that's what it felt like. I mean a colleague of mine actually has got posted a video who was a hypnotherapist of going through root canal without any pain medication. And it's quite interesting you pick up on that is that I'll do I'll give birth without any pain medication, but I don't think I would be prepared to do a root canal without it. She's quite an interesting conundrum in itself. Um I come from the premise that our bodies are perfectly designed to birth. You know, and if we understand the process and stop fighting it then it will be a lot easier. Now. We sort of in hypno birthing you almost it's not so much hypnosis, It's not like d hypnosis, you know, you have to d hypnotist people from the over medical ist notion of birth. I mean, short We do need it sometimes, but I think the figures suggest that it's only in around actually about 5-10% of births which may need medical help.

And in this country doctor seemed to do cesarean section first, you know, that is so it looks like a difficult but let's do a cesarean and so many women then lose out on that experience. Is that the same in your country or your thinking? People are going the more natural route. No, it's definitely the same in this country. Absolute. I mean, when I was looking at it, I think the C section rates were around 25% and from talking to women who come to me for hit birthing now, I think they're well over 30%. So it's on the rise and there's all sorts of theories as to why. But I think one of the most Common accepted ones is that basically it's much easier because you book people in, you know, it's Tidier, isn't it? OK, so you're do then, so we'll book you in 10 days beforehand, you'll be in, you'll be out and then you'll be in recovery. Whereas, you know, giving birth is a spontaneous thing, you go, you go into labor when your body is ready, when the baby is ready and nobody else knows. Nobody knows when it's going to be.

So, it's, you know, and nobody knows quite how long it will be. So, it's difficult to manage caesarean sections are much easier to manage. So tell me a little bit about the preparation process. How many sessions would you spend with with a lady who is getting prepared for this? It varies. I mean, I did something called the manga method, which was sort of one of the earliest, I think probably about the most thorough hypno birthing courses and I'm trained by them? But I don't actually, I didn't, I no longer kept up with their sort of I don't know, school as it were. I tailor make each 12 to the client generally I will say a minimum of three sessions but three hour and a half sessions but they can have more if they need. And then you also there for the birthing process or not. No, no, no, no. That's a duelist job really if they want. But I mean what I do the processes really you want the pregnant lady and their birthing partner because you can do it by yourself.

But if you get into a situation so you go to a hospital, they are prepared for births as they are used to doing birth and Hitler birthing in a hospital looks very very different than a birth managed by a hospital. So quite often, you know the baby will be just about to be born and the staff won't have had any idea of how far along they've got and panic can interview then. I mean in fact a friend of mine, this is exactly what happened to her and then just at the last moment after a lovely a few hours beforehand they took over and what we really want is the birthing partner to be there to understand. So they are like a buffer between the mother and all the other medical staff around. So they're always they're being trained to sort of ask the questions, is this a medical emergency? Is this necessary? Can we wait a bit longer? So that the woman who was giving birth can just be in her zone, you know, in hypnosis going in and out of hypnosis without people interrupting And would this have an effect on the baby in any way?

Well, I don't know, to be fair. Obviously people who promote him the birthing insists that it does. I mean they say we have called the apgar score that generally babies born with inherited at birth and have a better apgar score. They tend to breastfeed will read readily more easily. But they also say that for the mother basically is much less post natal depression and a much quicker recovery. I mean for myself, the word recovery seemed irrelevant. There was nothing to recover from. I mean, that's something I would question. I was up and about carrying on with my life the next day. And that's the other thing that seems to happen with hypno birthing in terms of recovery I think is that basically you don't you probably hypno birthing, you hear about tearing a lot. You don't tend to tear with hypno birthing because you don't push and that causes the tearing. So there's in terms of recovery? There isn't that to heal from stitches and all the rest. That sounds really interesting, just just for interesting if other therapist are are listening to this and want to train or want more information.

Could you point us in a direction where they could maybe find something out about it. Absolutely. But there's lots and lots of people who offer hypno birthing. The one I would recommend as the go to would be and she's an american lady. I think her daughter now around it. But Marie mangan said, M O N G A N. Even if you don't want to go and do the course, you can buy their book online very readily. I think it's called Hypno birthing for a gentler, safer, more comfortable birth. And it gives you a lot of detail that goes into, you know, the history of childbirth, the over medicalization of it. And then a victorian doctor in East London who is kind of like who discovered the fear tension pain syndrome, we call it the fear of the childbirth creates the tension and the muscle tension creates the pain, which is why the hypnosis part helps. But yes, Marie mangan, that's who I recommend as a go to. Okay, tell me anything about the business of hypnosis.

How how busy your practice. How do you advertise? How do you get clients? That is such a good, good question. If you've got any answers point me to some people who've got the answers. When I finish training, I had I was still working part time, I work part time in a school and I slowly built up. I did advertising in local magazines, I did lots of leafleting and I put promotional material in cafes and things and I slowly got a few clients and then now I get a lot by word of mouth referral or a friend of mine. And so and so did and that's generally how it comes. But now I think having a website and keeping on top of that so that you come up high on google seems to be very important and sort of I use facebook and instagram is sort of a little tiny tiny mini blog blog.

It's I guess, you know, sort of musings and thoughts and people, a lot of people find me through that. But I think the more effort you put into it, the more results you get definitely. And I'm not I'm not big on promotion, but certainly it seems like word of mouth is the main way of, of spreading the message. You have one client that's had a really good experience, then they will certainly talk about it. Not so absolutely. And I think as well you can quite often MS word of mouth referrals because I mean I have, when I first meet people, I take a small history of my last question is how did you find me because I think it's very important for a business in terms of growing your business to find out what is the relevant way to do it. And so I just had to people this last week, it was like, oh my father used to be a chain smoker and he, you know, he was very quiet about it, but I noticed you stopped smoking and he told me it was you, another guy came along through a friend of his who had come to give up drinking. So yes. Word of mouth is my favorite obviously.

Yeah. What are the cheapest? I'm sure in terms of your ego is really good as well. At least you know that what you're doing is, you know, it's doing good. You're helping people, it's working in South Africa. There is still a great stigma attached to hypnosis. And you know, especially from religious people going, you know, go and go for it because you'll you'll be possessed by demons and all these weird things, therefore people are very hesitant to use it. And yet it's such a great modality and doing some research now around post traumatic stress disorder. And you know, the history goes back more than 100 years. Um and through the world wars, when people have been treated with hypnosis yet, it's still last in the queue when people are looking for a way to solve their problems. How is the situation in your country? And and do you think we're making progress? I think we're definitely making progress actually because it appears that it seems to be more and more of a normal thing to do. I still find that people come to me and they're a bit feel a bit weird about approaching a hypnotherapist.

So it's not normalized as it were, but it's definitely getting that way more and more. I think things like, you know, PTSD, you're saying, have you come across the muscle, M U S S rewind technique and that's something I'm trained in and that comes from neuro linguistic programming. And I think what's happening with hypnotherapy is that because we're prepared most hypnotherapist to combine anything that works. So I'll take a bit from NLP and I'm trained in this PTSD technique, which is fantastic that if it works, it grows, you know, and I think that's what's happening. I mean, the problem we have here is that I don't think the NHS has, you know, the funding all the time really to do the trials that's necessary to be able to say, yeah, right behind hypnotherapy, this is the way forward. And yet if you start digging on the internet, there is so much research that deals with various aspects of it and all of it saying, you know, it works, why why don't we use it much more often in South africa in my practice, you know, people usually say, you know, I'm desperate, I've tried everything else and now if you can't help me, then I'm giving up and then usually a session or two later, you know, we've, we've worked through the issue.

I know and it's incredible how quick it is, isn't it? I mean and that's what it is. So amazing that it isn't more picked up on. And I think, I mean what we have over here is that there is all that research but it has to be research which fits the sort of in our country and the NHS is research criteria. So over here, you know, CBT is well that is the go to therapy generally because I'm told, I haven't been told not research myself that CBT was developed by a doctor and so they followed all the all the required sort of research for that. All the documentation and research was all in place. It was very easy for it to be okay. Yeah. I couldn't agree more with you. It's so effective. I do. I think it's like it feels to me like the world's best kept secret. and what I'm hoping is that COVID-19 is going to bring that secret to the fore and and make it more accessible for more people because just you know, I've just written an article around the stress factors of covid and pandemics in general and you know it the there are so many people that are in need of our services right now that we should, you know, stand on on our sub boxes and shout as loudly as we can come here, come here, we can help you quickly.

Absolutely. And it would be so nice to be able to get to people sooner like you say you know I sometimes call myself not to my clients you know the last chance motel because they've tried everything. We don't see people until they're right you know right at the end of all their options generally. And that seems so sad when you were so effective. So how many sessions would you usually spend with a client to to work through some of these issues especially anxiety and those sort of things? Do you know what? It just varies so much. I have the first meeting. I generally have longer and I don't use hypnosis because I always think that if you're going to sort of relax and just daydream and drift off in somebody's presents you need to have met them and maybe no them first. Um So we get you know a good rapport going and I explain a lot about sort of the neuroscience of things and also learn a bit about them so that my my hypnosis parts is sort of more fitting to them. So it rings true to them but I would say for general anxiety if you sort of get it as it were four sessions 3 four sessions as an average.

Some people have had longer. Some people have had one or two and it is such an individual process like you say in South Africa we talk about client centred hypnotherapy that our processes need to be shaped around the client and their needs. We do solution focus which is I think I don't know if it's quite the same. I mean it's got to be client centred hasn't it? Because if when your daydream away and you're listening to some sort of story and whatever and things, somebody's saying something, you'll just block out anything which doesn't really chime with your beliefs or how you feel or what you enjoy. But I do I mean I'm also trained in solution focused therapy which is all about getting away from the problem. So people come to you with a problem and to your knowledge and go yeah okay right, I understand that. But what would life look like if it was beginning to get a bit better, what would it look like if you felt a bit more X, Y. Z. And we have to get that from the client. It has to be client centered in getting the client to picture visualized, talk about their solutions.

Is that the same sort of thing as you mean? Yes. I think because I mean there are so many techniques or different techniques that one can use from regret to metaphor. Two parts therapy too. I mean there's so many you've got to understand your clients so that you can fit the kind of technique that you do use to the needs of the client. And if one thing doesn't work that you've got to be brave enough to try something else. Surely. Absolutely. I mean, I don't know much about regression hypnotherapy and all of that. I mean the basis that my group of people as it will come from is that, you know, hypnosis or that the brain function that we go into in hypnosis is a naturally occurring state. We pop in and out of it all the time. So it's very easy to achieve the skill. The real skill I find is in the psychotherapy part of the session. The first half is, you know, what are your best hopes when you leave here today. If things are better, what would that look like? And getting lots and lots of detail, which sounds quite easy. But when somebody comes to you at the end of the tether and they can't see your way out can be quite um, sometimes I get lost and I have to go, that's when I have to go to my supervisor to get some guidance and I don't know where I'm going with this, but it's that first half I find is a bit I have to adapt more and yeah, be really, really thoughtful about the hypnosis part is all about pattern matching to a client's worldview and interests and thoughts and desires and what they need, which as you probably know, you know, it gets easier and easier to do the longer you do it lead and you have to rely on your intuition so much sometimes just get a feeling of what the client needs and just go with your gut instinct.

Yeah, absolutely and yeah, go with it. No second guessing, go with it. Yes I agree. So you don't do past life regressions and things like that. No, no I don't really know much about it to be fair. Okay Because I was speaking to a lady in Ohio just last week and she was saying so many problems, especially fears and phobias seemed to come from past life experiences and she uses that technique a lot and then puts those sessions on Youtube so people can see how they work. Be interesting. I mean just because I don't know something about it. You know that's the joy as you can keep learning. I mean I find and I suppose the difference there is that problems can come from somewhere. What I'm saying the solution focused but it's really important to me and we can talk about that and we can look at that. But that's not really the solution. I mean have you come across I'm sure steve Shazzer and came in Solberg who are the people you know Palo alto who came up with a whole sort of solution focused stuff which was like why people going into therapy for so long spending so much money on it and then coming out of the end probably worse if not know better anyway and all their research basically showed that if you separate the problem from the solution, you can make change.

So while a problem can be fascinating and you can talk about it and talk about it. All you're doing is reliving it and treading those neural pathways and keeping on bringing it forward. Whereas if you actually talked about it, okay, I acknowledge this, I recognize this, but there was a miracle and that didn't exist. What might your life look like. And then once you start talking about that there's natural brain process, you know, the default mode network can start working towards making working towards your preferred futures if that makes sense. Indeed, I find a lot of people come and they they are so stuck on the problem that they have never looked for a solution and the moment you point them away from the problem going, okay, well that's the problem, that's fine Park that here for a moment. But what, what do you want to achieve? How do you want your life to be in future if it was problematic, magically go away, like you say, it does change people's outlook and suddenly I think in our because it reframing that that you reframe their lives for them and find a new model or a new map that you can use to go forward in your life, isn't that?

Yeah, absolutely. Or even, I mean what I try to do is I don't they have to reframe it. I I asked the question so their solutions come from them because you know that hypnotic state, it's like it's the default mode network, isn't it's called like a your consciousness is rummaging around in your hippocampus, rearranging your patterns of behavior to solve a problem. So if you create a picture of a preferred future of how you would like it to do when you are in a hypnotic state or daydreaming throughout the rest of your day, the rest of your week, your brain's rummaging around, subconsciously working in their background on your behalf towards that preferred future that you have discussed with your session. It's shoving people off the problem centric path and onto a track of finding their own solutions I think is key book with Children. I do, I do much harder, much more challenging. I find people say no, that's the easiest thing in the world.

I've also find Children I don't know, I think it's me though, it's not necessarily the child that I'm working with them. I'm slightly apprehensive somehow. I don't know. I think what it is is that because everybody is different. You know, we're used to adapting for adults. We have an expectation that you have to adapt, your language, you have to adapt, your concept, We respond, but Children, you know, the the developmental thing as well isn't there. So I've worked with 18 year old who I treated like an adult, the way I spoke and I've worked with a 14 year old that I've had to treat like I would have treated I talked to you know like a seven year old and then you get other kids who just can't sit still. The idea of hypnosis, formal hypnosis where you're lying down would just be ridiculous. And so I had many young lad We were talking throughout the entire session playing Connect four. He was going in and out of hypnosis throughout the therapy session we were creating some crazy sort of space journey where there was this helper and you know we were talking about solutions and what might happen and what he would need and going on some crazy mad journey But whilst playing Connect four because there was no way he was going to sit still.

You were saying earlier also that you sometimes connect with a supervisor or somebody who helps you do you have a support network of other hypnotherapist that you can share ideas and and problems with? Absolutely. I mean I'm part of two professional organizations which are really large, really big ones. So there's a complimentary natural health care coming but it's very big. Um and then the National Council of hypnotherapist I think but then there is a much smaller one which is sort of set up by the people where I trained which is called the Association for solution focused hypnotherapy and that has got a fantastic support network um and then there's the clinical school of hit the therapy where yes I mean it's through facebook mainly but there are some really knowledgeable helpful people and yes I have some regular supervision. You have to have supervision to belong in these professional bodies. And my supervisor at the moment is both a child psychologist, a GP, a solution focused trainer and a hypnotherapist and she's invaluable.

Absolutely. And how do you keep up with the latest developments? Do you do some continuing education? You read you what videos? Absolute. I mean I do more, we have to do. I think it's 15 hours a year of continued professional development for most of the professional bodies. And so I do that. I mean I think the last one I did was a days one about addiction. It was fascinating actually. A guy who's really big an addiction stuff in the UK because I've been seeing more and more people for addiction recently. But yes, I'll do I'll do at least four training sessions. But there's also brief which are the solution focused people. There's loads of free webinars and stuff. So I do quite a lot of those. There's lots and lots and obviously reading, yes, plenty of reading perhaps there's been an interesting case. Something that stood out. That was unusual that you can maybe tell us a little bit of a story about, oh goodness, I should have thought about that beforehand, shouldn't I? An interesting case.

Well it's kind of interesting. This one this is a long time ago but it's one that sticks for me because it had to be, you know when somebody makes an inquiry and you get that feeling and thinking can I help that person? How how am I going to help that person? Oh, okay. So I was quite apprehensive. So a mother approached me, she has a daughter with Down syndrome and the daughter was Goodness, how old was she? I think she was 14 at the time and she has had this really bad nervous tic habit, awful. She said where she was just scratching her forehead and she was scratching it rule and you know, could I help her? And I as always confidently over the phone. Yes, of course, absolutely. And they booked in and I was wondering how I was going to manage it was the summer. And so I thought you know trying to keep somebody concentrating because I know, you know, I'm interested in the research with Down syndrome, you know, lots of concepts, lots of ideas, very hard. There is a processing issue, sensory procession information, processing issue with Down syndrome.

So I was just wondering what earth I was going to do? So we're outside in the garden sort of chatting, just finding out strengths, weaknesses, what she likes dislikes and all of that. And I thought what am I going to do when she comes back, I just don't know how to do it. And in the end I just sat there for an hour making a list together of all the things that to be gained when she no longer scratched her head because when she did turn up when I saw her head I thought oh my goodness the mother should have prepared me for that. It's like a whole forehead was an open wound. It was awful. And it was just that one session. Her mother then called me two weeks later and said she hasn't done it since. Just that long list of all the games to be had was enough. That was that was a standout for me. It was the one I was most nervous about wow that's that's quite an incredible story mm You know stays with me and there's one other hypno birthing. I wish I could remember quite the details. She came to me which came to be fertility stuff 1st.

And then hypno birthing. And she wanted her while her husband wanted her to have a hospital. But so she did but she whilst was giving birth I can't remember what kind of scanner she ended up in she ended up being scanned and finding out that she had a problem herself with would have been her heart. I can't remember what exactly but all around her the staff which is going I can't believe this. You're so calm. You're giving birth and you're finding out you've got you've got health issues yourself what's going on mm And that's one of my favorite hypno birthing stories. Yeah. The birth was completely secondary. Uh huh. A lot of people have been speaking to have also been saying, you know in the past it's been very old school, your client comes in, they sit in your chair, you work with them and they go maybe you do a group or two. But Covid has has changed the way we deliver our hypnosis sessions. And a lot of people are finding great success using a platform like zoom um at your experience too. Absolutely.

I love it. I may never put proper shoes on again. Um You know, life and slippers. It's the way forward, isn't it? Um And it's really and I had a really interesting chat with my supervisor about it because we were, you know, we're talking nearly a year ago now what we were asking people how they were finding it and how they were adapting. When I was saying I think people are having less sessions. I think they are requiring less sessions. What's going on? Why is it? I'm a theory that we've come up with and I'm going with it because I like it. There's no proof is that when people come to you in that formal setting and they come into your room or your house or your practice or whatever it is, you're going from there coming to an alien space. Sometimes they can get there and they can get everything and they leave and everything's fine and hunky dory And then they get back to their own life and they go back to those old patterns, they go back to that autopilot subconscious thing. But I have this hunch that when you are what I call beamed live and direct into their life, you know what is happening?

These changes, there's no excuse for the brain to reject anything because it's into the context of their own life. And I just wonder if context is possibly much more important than we ever thought. What about the technicalities of the screen flipping and you're looking up somebody's nose or uh the connection cutting out in the middle? How do you manage that connection cutting out in the middle is really irritating. Um I don't find that, I don't know about my clients, but for me, I don't have any problem with the screen thing. I mean, I do get some people who is like, you're not going to try and hold that phone are you whilst you're in hypnosis? Let's put that down. And why is that? Because you've got to hold it. I want your muscles relaxing. But yeah, bad internet can be an issue. And so I always have to preface all zoom session saying that if your internet cuts out, if my internet cuts out, don't worry, I'll try to reconnect if it doesn't work, you know, I'll just call you up and we'll arrange another time. But yeah, I apart from bad internet, I don't really think there's a downside to be fair.

I think it's a plus for client and therapist also. It might take away the stress of driving to your your practice. And as you say, it's it's a weird unknown space and it is more familiar at home. So that's an interesting theory or I'll check with other hypnotherapist do and see if they agree with that. That's really interesting. I thought it was quite interesting. I I do remember early days when I had I always used to insist that smoking cessation was one big long session. Now I'm much more fluid and flexible. And I remember one guy coming along and throughout the hypnosis part I could see his him clinch lying there and he wasn't, it was it was it was like okay. Yeah. You know, you could see that coming to a different place. Meeting a new person going through a new process was all quite anxious making I had a client once and she had several fears and phobias and she was even though the house that I stayed and she was like, this is such a creepy house. I'm not sure I can even come in here. Uh so you can see the benefits of doing it live beaming live into your brain where you are.

Exactly this lovely beginning of lockdown, this lovely woman and she was, her husband was off working and it was after her kids have gone to bed. And she said, can I just do it in bed and then just you know, don't bother getting come around and just if you wanted another session would arrange it beforehand and then I'd finish this section, switch off and let her be, do you find it works best sitting up in a chair or lying down when you're doing a zoom? I don't think it matters. I just ask people to get comfortable if they want a blanket to get a blanket. I do think there was one woman who was doing any chair and I said, come on, your head's not supported that. You sure you're comfortable. But again it's client centered if they say they're comfortable and I feel that I have to go with it. And does that also mean that you are starting to see people from around the globe and not just in your immediate vicinity? That's very interesting isn't it? Because I did this course sort of a few months into lockdown about taking your practice online and blah blah blah. And this was one of the great highs of it was that we could be practicing around the globe.

No, I haven't. Um lots of my colleagues have had more inquiries from around the globe but I would think that that's probably down to my promotion and marketing. I haven't put any effort into trying to find people around the globe but it would be very interesting. Well I certainly hope this podcast would make you more well known. You never know. Do you work around the global or you do just work locally? I have only recently come back into hypnosis. I took a break for about yes and having done some other things and studied some more and do all sorts of other things for me, it's a brand new world really and I was still old school until about two weeks ago when somebody said no, you must go online. And this is in fact the first online zoom interview that I've been doing so far. It's all been through WhatsApp calls. So this is also a new before me. You see I'm zoom very useful because you've got things like you can do drawings, you've got the white board, so you can explain things on there. And if you've got groups, you've got breakout rooms and it's pretty good.

You're talking about things I still don't know about stand like I do, but I think maybe I don't okay, so if people wanted to book your services or get hold of you, how would they do that? How would they find you? You can find me on, I have a website which is called W W S Aberg of any, which is the Tomorrow Live Above any hypnotherapy dot co dot UK. I have a facebook page called Perry P A W Y? Perry hypnotherapy and the same again on instagram. And my email address is info at Perry hypnotherapy dot com. Yeah. And I'm always happy to have a chat, you know, free informal chat to find out more because like you say, you know, it's quite often a last chance and people don't know much about it and quite often can feel quite nervous. So just ringing up and having a chat is never a problem. Well there we go. Give anger a chat there in Wales, beautiful, warm hearted woman with a beautiful voice.

I'm sure you're a fantastic hypnotherapist. I wouldn't mind going through a session with, with that beautiful voice in my ear. I think maybe we could arrange some reciprocal hypnotherapy, Wouldn't that be fantastic? Yes. Okay, so the description of the podcast will have all of the contact details, make sure you look in there and uh thank you so much for your time and chatting with me today, absolute pleasure to meet you. Thank you. Well I found chatting to my hypnosis colleague very interesting and insightful and I trusted you did too. Their contact details are in the podcast description or you can get in touch with them through, find a hypnotist dot c 0.0. If you want to find out more about me and what I do, please visit my website, Hendrick Bird dot com. Remember I released new episodes every thursday. So be sure to subscribe to my channel until we speak again. Have a hypnotic day hypnosis works, transforming the mind

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