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Hot Rod Farmer: The destruction caused by static electricity.

by Hot Rod Farmer
June 9th 2021
 It is the silent killer of engines.
mhm. Okay, mm. Yeah. Hello, my friends and welcome back to idle chatter. I'm ray bo hacks the hot rod farmer coming to you from Cat Swamp Road and hopefully things are going well on your operation. We've been blessed since the last, well, probably a little bit before the last hope for the last 10 days or so to have uh 5.40 inches of rain. So that's a real blessing. Or what we need now is some sun and we are going to get some heat units. Uh so uh we have enough topsoil moisture right now to carry me through the rest of my plan things as of this moment as I record this, I have six plantings in five planting, so I have to do 67 and eight. I'm gonna do eight plan things this year, the way I wear, the way I uh they'll say cordoned off the field. So uh we'll do eight plantings and God willing to plant it should be off the tractor probably by around the 19th of june, I guess. Right? So, uh, see how that works out.

And um, I'm also excited about uh, I'm gonna be doing it on the road podcast with uh, MR Ron, learn from out and uh, I forgot the name of the town in pennsylvania, but they have a wonderful, he's been a loyal and faithful listener to my idle chatter podcast since its inception. And that's not why I'm putting him on the show. It uh, I don't work that way, but I'm grateful that he is a faithful listener, but they have a wonderful history, his family, I believe has, and I'm going to get some more, Get the information correct. When I do the show, I believe his family has had to farm there for around 100 and 65 years. They have a dairy operation, they milk about 200 head. And uh they actually built the, there's, his family had built houses from the land, from the land, from the wood, that the timber that was from the farm. It's a, it's a, it's a wonderful, wonderful, rich story of passion, a wonderful story of, of, of America and I'm blessed to be able to go out, I believe it's called the Blossom Hollow Farm, but if I may have that wrong right now, but I will get that straight.

And matter of fact, their story is so rich that I'm going to go out there ahead of time and meet with his family and his brother a couple of weeks before we scheduled to record that on the road episode so that they could show me the farm. Show me, show me the operation and and more importantly, let give me the background history on it because it's a uh like I said, it is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful story there, that it would be too much for me to be able to do it all in one day when I record. So I want to be able to out there a couple of weeks ahead of time and uh God willing bring my wife with me and uh get get the lay of the land, shake hands and uh see what he would, you know, learn about the family and then come back a few weeks later and do that episode. But currently, also there is a on the road episode that will be posted. Uh God willing by time that you uh here this show and that is with Pete Meyer and rob Eider.

Both were previous guests on the road. Actually, rob ida was my first on the road episode and Pete martyr was probably back in december sometime and it's, they're joining forces and that's why I did the show is the way I did was that they introduced raw biter who was a world renowned car builder, and Pete Meyer, who is a world renowned, also fine artist and he was also a designer, the youngest designer hired by General Motors. You can go back and you can go back into my archives and listen to both of their podcast. I think if you didn't have the opportunity, I think you'd really enjoy it. And uh when Pete Meyer not to steal the thunder from the show, but when Pete Meyer was hired into General Motors like his first week, they gave him a design project at three wheeled car and he designed this three wheeled car and it never came to never was built. So rob IDa and Pete Meyer are going to join forces with a couple of other people and their God willing, hoping to bring this card is still Born designed from 1966.

So I'm calling that episode on the road to 1966 was that's really, really what it's about. It's turning the clock back like a time machine to 1966 and uh, to build this car, but they go and Peter is going to modernize it. So if you have the opportunity, if you're hot rod farmer and you're a car guy, also, you're a car guy young, I think if you have the time to go back into the archives and listen to rob by this show on the road to rob biden on the road to Pete Meyer, it would be a good precursor, will be a good segue for this episode. But also what is different about this, uh, this on the road to 1966 episode, is that terry Munson who is also a very, very accomplished and I'm going to use to use the term again, world renowned because I don't know of another word to explain these three gentlemen, but they're all very humble when you meet them, but you mentioned your names in certain circles, be it Pete be a terry Munson or rob beta and the people's eyes light up.

So people who want to know in those, in, in the, in the know in those communities and he filmed the podcast and we didn't impeach studio. I mean it's, it's it's organic, it's like, it's like me, it, see it, see what you see is what you get. I mean he did a beautiful job of filming it, but it was in Pete's studio and uh we're sitting actually had to sit on a blanket because the chair they had was too low for me. And uh it was at a table that Pete built in this painting the background and a can of WD 40. But that's what this is all about. Like, you know, idle chatter on the road, all my stuff here, the website, you know, I'm just a farmer and it's about bringing information. It's not fancy Shmancy. So it's not a veneer. It's what you get, what you see is, what you get. And that's what Terry did with the filming. So you could check that out. Um there was a link on my website. So if you're listening to this, to some of them, some some other uh podcast uh location.

I even know what the word to call it. Then you just go to my website and you can click on it and link right to where that video is of this podcast episode. And uh then Terry did a great job and he also in integrated some images for us right into the show and some pictures of peace sketching the car. So it's it's really, it's, it's, I mean it, I think you really enjoy it. I think it's a story and it's and and it's a story that has not been told my podcast with uh with Pete in the beginning the first episode. Now, this is a story that has not been told before and within the automotive community, not even within the automotive cube community, but beyond that, it's a story of american exceptionalism. It's a story of a kid from Brooklyn Brooklyn new york of the first generation of immigrants. And uh, excuse me, uh you know, coming to America, I mean Pete was born here but his parents were not from Germany, coming to America And then, you know, and nothing, nothing is impossible, right?

Work hard. And uh, and you could, you could achieve the american dream. And so it's, it's, that's what this anyway. Not to repeat it, but that's what on the road is all about. It's about passionate about the exceptionalism of America than the people like Ron learn and all the others who are going to be on that episode. And talking about that also is that I had a chance to get down to see rob. I'm friendly with rob and bob rob ida and bob. Either bob is his father and I'm like right between the two of them in age. So I have like one ft with Robin, one ft with the father. So when the father complaints about the sun, like I kind of understand them in the sun, complaints about the father, I understand was a unique relationship because they're both wonderful friends. But I, uh, I'm dead, I'm dead in the middle as far as my age is concerned, but I haven't had a chance to see bob since christmas time. So the other day I couldn't do anything here with the farm and I was whatever. I played hookey, That's, that's, that's the truth, Right? I want to tell the truth.

I played hookey and they went down to see bob and to have lunch with him in their shop and he had a new, got a new ford ranger, which I absolutely love. Base based ranger, two wheel drive, cheapest ranger. Unbelievable. The thing is fast. I mean, think it's quick. It's got the turbo four cylinder, but anyway, so we went to lunch and then uh, a friend of bob's called just as we were getting into the ranger to go to lunch and I had met this gentleman before. I know bob, it's a good friend of bob and rob and he they always mentioned his name but I only met him one time when bob ford Gt was being delivered and I'm gonna be doing on the road podcast with bob also and you'll learn about the G. T. Then but and it's a GT supercar. Not that not a GT mustang, but anyway uh so this gentleman's name is Gina and recalls last name and he owned a company called Picture Cars, I think it's called Picture Cars Studios in Brooklyn new york. And uh he lives in Staten Island which is only like five minutes from New Jersey down with bob.

Itis is he's actually quicker to get into New Jersey in any place in Staten Island goes over a bridge called the outer bridge crossing. But anyway, so Gino called up and uh, so bob says we're going to lunch. So I had a chance to really, you know, we went, all three of us went to lunch now at the restaurants and everything are open. It was a pleasure to get together and three car guys and uh, had a chance to talk and learn a little bit more about Gino's business. And uh, I'm hoping to get him. I'm hoping to get him on the show because I think that's a, it's a wonderful story. I mean, then again, another guy from Brooklyn, it seems that Brooklyn seems to be fertile ground for this stuff. Right? And uh, but another guy from Brooklyn and they started in 1974 and he supplies cars to movies and to all different types of vehicles and we'll get into that when I hope so. I asked bobby said asked you know if he wants to be on the show and uh Salt of the earth Guy, Salt of the earth Guy. Car guy never lost his passion for cars. Uh it has a new GT also as a matter of fact uh as I record this, they're down in Carlisle pennsylvania that a big ford show.

Uh there's a fairgrounds in Carlisle and they have to maybe have other events happened there but they're big for car events and they have they have themed events also. Uh ford's at Carlisle, more parts that Carlisle Chevys at Carlisle whatever. So there's a big ford show. So Gino has a, I think a 2020 G. T. Then more barbs is 2019. A couple other guys are going down there so they caravan down and I love it because these cars they drive these cars I mean they drive their not being trail at the Carlyle. They're being driven which is probably about 180 miles one way. So it's a pretty good ride. So uh that is what's happening here and I'm looking forward to hopefully getting those guys on the show because I think you as my audience will enjoy that and if I didn't say this last week, I don't remember if I did or not. I want a big, I want to truly say thank you to everyone in this audience, not only for listening to me and for supporting my you know supporting my website and and my show by listening, but I was contacted uh maybe last week and maybe I did say this and I forgot if I did.

I apologize because it's not humble for me to say it and they even say it, say it twice. But there are two million, approximately 2,500,000 different podcast shows in the world. Which is frightening. I couldn't believe it was that there's an organization and they contacted me and they claim to be like the Nielsen ratings of podcasts. So it's like the Nielsen was Tv and radio. So Nielsen rating of podcasts, I believe they're called listen notes. And they contacted me out of the blue. They're not looking for any money or anything. So in the beginning I thought they were just phony. I did some research anyway. They told me at a 2,500,000 podcasts in the world. Now granted some of those may have done three shows and never, never did another one. So I don't so that could probably skew it a little bit. But so they said that this show that you're listening to idle chatter is in the top 10% not the top 10. I don't want to mislead you the top 10% of all podcasts in the world, that content, all genres, all venues, not it's not farm stuff or engine stuff, it's anything going up against music podcasts, uh murder mystery paul, whatever there is.

So, I want to thank you my audience because that would not have happened without you listening. So, matter of fact, when they told me that they contacted me, I can like I said, this must be some kind of scam deal. How can a little chatter being a top 10% of the world? But you guys did it? I didn't do it. So I won't just want to give you a heartfelt and humble thanks for bringing this show from a kid from Cat Swamp Road. Uh, the top 10% in the world. So, uh, that is a thank you very, very much and I just want, you know that I appreciate every one of you more than you will ever imagine, thank you for that already and today. So let's get back to another thing I want to tell you. I was walking around the truck stop this morning and um, there was a, this is, this is like a short thing and it was a, I guess a fairly new Kenworth. I don't know, I don't know what year was, It was an old better pack car engine, which is common because uh, because uh, pack our owns Kenworth Kenworth Peterbilt and Daf, which is a, I get it's a european company whether Swedish or Norway or something like that.

But the FDA F, but anyway, it was, and I've seen a lot of pack our engines, trucks that had pack orange, but the guy in the hood open, there's nobody there. So I don't know whether you had a problem with something, you do it open. So I said let me go look at it. And you know, I, and I said I want to see if it's a, if it's a pack our and I would have visually been able to identify it's a pack car, but you know, they have the certified clean Idol decal either on the hood, on the door. So I went to go look at the door and it says pack our engine. So I saw, I'll tell you, I don't know which pack hard was because they know they have a couple of different things of a 13 liter of 15 liter that is a sweet looking engine. As far as its serviceability was concerned. I mean it was in that, in that platform, I think it was a T 6 60 Kenworth uh that but don't hold me to that, but that was very very accessible. It was very neatly cleanly packaged. And because even a lot of these, you know, these caterpillars and these Detroit's, you look at them almost like a new car, you can't even get to anything on it.

But the pack or engine was very very very very uh well packaged and quite interesting, quite quite nicely done as far as that aspect, this is concerned. So I'm gonna have to uh do a little bit more research and actually maybe even do a podcast episode on the pack car engine or maybe under the getting to know series. Alright, well, 15 minutes into the show and here it is, I don't even get you don't even know what it's about that. I sorry, sorry about that. But uh, well, what I want to talk about today and I've kind of touched on this briefly in the past by want to delve into a little bit deeper and, and I want to also bring a different aspect to it Now. For the most part, what I would like to for the most part, I should say this is going to pertain more to road vehicles, but part of it will pertain to to agricultural or construction or mining equipment, but in a little bit of water, road vehicles and what I want to talk about or discuss is probably a more accurate way for me to say it is that a lot of people don't give credit.

I don't wanna say credit acknowledged the potential problems with, with this and that is about static electricity that is built up by the tires and an impact the vehicle when it is, uh, it has a weak ground path. So that's probably the best way for me to say it. So it's going to be the potential damage that static electricity can do to a vehicle. Uh, from, and it's the friction from the tires running rolling down the road and with a vehicle that has a compromise is probably a better word for me to say compromise ground path and anything that I mean, anything that rolls down the road is going to have static electricity. But the thing is that if you're driving a combine down the road, then you're going a couple miles to the next field, another farm, you have, what have you in the theory, you're gonna build some static electricity, but you're not going to build that much. And so it really, you really need speed and time for it to build static electricity and what a lot of people don't recognize.

And that's why I want to talk about today, especially since I was talking about that pack car engine. Is that that this, that the tires, because we're talking about the static electricity generated by the ties. That is static electricity generated by the air moving over the vehicle also. But that is not too much consequence, especially with newer vehicles, Costa more aerodynamic. But the static electricity that's generated by the friction of the tires on the road can have the potential to be so damaging to that piece of equipment that, uh, you would not believe it. You would not believe it whatsoever. And though it is not common, I'm not gonna say that it's common, all right. But there's also a lot of diseases in life that are not common. They say, well, you know, it's uh you're one in a million chance of somebody getting it and dying. Well, if you're burying your loved one, then that one in a million chance doesn't really, you know, you know, so it's only one million chance for you to die pop. But hey, I guess you had that one in a million chance sort of thing is that it's something that I want you to be aware of because it can cost you a lot of money and a lot of problems and you're back many.

Well, I guess it's about 20 years ago now, which is frightening. I worked on some of you may notice I worked as a test engineer for BMW of North America. There are engineering facility at two engineering facilities. The main headquarters was in New Jersey, right along the new york state border near new york city. And uh in a town called mont vale New Jersey. And then they had another facility of satellite facility in California. And but we were the uh the north american headquarters for engineering. And one of the things that we were involved with was tire testing and what had happened was that they were gonna get ready to come out. I'm not a big fan of BMW, I mean whatever, I'm not a BMW guy. Right? So uh so I I mean I I respect them for what they what they do good and you know, I critique them for what they do poorly like any company. I mean you're not the holy grail that so many BMW people think that they are but I mean they have their problems, they have their issues and like anything else, but anyway so we were doing the test and they and they identify all of their projects as an engineering code.

So B E. 36 E 46 it goes in numbers so it may go from E 36 to E 42 because at that particular level because E 37 up to 41 never got past the drawing board. So they identify a code for it but that doesn't mean that there was ever a vehicle to test so it's not incremental. So they were going to come out with the E 46 which happened to be it just so happened it was the next series after the E 36 33 series. BMW. But had nothing to do with being a three series and it just was 10 numbers later just because that's the way it worked out. There was no value there whatsoever so don't get hung up on that. So anyway, so when you're doing things like that, you you you just like you're going into the field as a farmer. So I'm gonna put on, you know, I'm gonna put on a uh I'm gonna, you know, put on some herbicide. So I'm out there and spraying, I'm gonna put a folio. I'm gonna put a fun, makes a fungicide and make the tank tank mix part. Now put some micronutrients and I'll do all that.

So they make one pass across the field and engineering. We do the same thing to me. If you're doing a component of uh if you're doing a drive, trying drive train evaluation or a calibration, which is more what I did, evaluated the calibration of the engine and the transmission, then yeah, you could do a break paired test, you could do a tire test, you could do a radio test, you could do a whole bunch of other things that you're driving the vehicle because they don't have anything to do with each other. Then you could atomize the cost of testing and the time of testing and what we would call in, you know, in engineering the critical path. You want to try to bring it forward as quickly as possible and get it done. So we did, we were, I was involved in a lot of tire testing and um, for the E 46 BMW. And what basically happened, excuse me, was that at the time the easy pass and that's if I know I have listeners all around the world and around the country with the easy passes a thing. There are some tall roads here in the United States, predominantly in the East Coast.

We gotta pay for everything and there was like a little sense that you put on the windshield and then they had a reader that you'd be able that you don't have to pay the toll. Would you have an account or take out a top? But they would have a toll collector and they would have easy pass lane and they have a change lanes off the tallest 75 cents. You could throw three quarters and all right, well they had tokens that you could buy and you would put the token into the change as you went through and the gate would open for or give you a green light to go through. And then they also had toll collectors. So if you only had a $10 bill in the total of 75 cents or whatever, you could go to the toll collector. But part of the engineering protocol was that we, we bought the tokens. BMW bought the tokens were keeping every card part of the test drivers on the garden state parkway, which is a toll road. And they have, they have, it's kind of a messed up road in a sense that usually most tall roads just have the toll at the exit, you'd be going down the road and they would, they would stop in the middle of the road and they'll be told boots there.

So, uh, and then so you had a lot of opportunities to give New Jersey money. But anyway, the good part about it for our testing was that we had a lot of opportunities to interact with the toll collector and that the protocol was that we would not go even though we had the token, we would go through a man lane and we need to go through a man lane. Man human being lane, no sexist. It could've been a woman, the man lane human occupied toll collector because we needed to check for static electricity from the tires and how we were checking for static electricity from the tires was that we would have this token and we would have to hand this to the toll collector. And if there was a lot of static electricity, we have to note that. And how would we tell it would be a lot of static electricity? Well, I usually did the afternoon eat well, I don't usually did the afternoon evening. All right. In the summertime I'd come back and still be like, but in the winter time it would not be that we had to notice if there was a spark or a shock to the toll collector.

So we're using so basis basically in essence, BMW was using the toll collector that's a static electricity test person unbeknownst to them. So what we'll do is you give them and then you have to note in the log book, each vehicle had to write up a report at the end of the hour. We had specified test routes that we have to go on, just randomly writing all over the place. So you have to give him the thing. And then we had some Michelin tires that gave, generated so much electricity that would be like, oh, like an arc welder when you give the guy the token and you go, I mean he didn't know what we were doing. I'm not laughing, obviously won't get hurt, but did we get shocked by it? So, but we need to understand and then we'd have other tires, other brands that are on there that created hardly any static electricity. So the take home message here, especially if you're a farm that's running a semi, whether you're running a semi just for you know all I know a lot of guys have semis because you can buy you semi cheaper and you can buy a one ton pickup truck Dooley, then you can hold a heck of a lot more grain where they use it during grain harvest and they move equipment around.

Then lots of guys also if they buy a newer semi or and I know I have some listeners that have new semis, then they run a trucking business with that, you know, off season. So they'll use the truck to haul grain and then they'll run a trucking business off season to keep to keep the truck making money and keeping their guys working. So what, regardless of, regardless of what, what you have. But the important take home message here is that tires will create static electricity. The second take home message. And that's why I just told you that story. Is that different brands of tires and different tread patterns will have either propensity to make static electricity or will be who have a propensity not to make static electricity. So that's why I told you that story. That's what I could hear myself talk. Then we had certain tires and it was it was a combination of the compound of the rubber and it was a combination of the tread pattern. So I said there was a Michelin tire, but I don't remember what because at the time we would get these tires and they wouldn't even they there wasn't even a name on them.

There would be an engineering code on them. And the thing is that ought to be a name and just say Michelin or BF Goodrich and you really didn't know it was a prototype tire and didn't really know what I mean. It wasn't like you say, okay, it's X, Y Z or something because, uh, it could have been under that family name or, you know, when you're at that particular level with engineering, it's not, I mean, everything has a code on it. It's not branded as far as you may know the brand of the company, but that model branded. So, so anyway, but within that same brand of Michelin, because I know one of the missions were terrible for that is that we had a tire that was almost benign the static electricity. So I want you to keep that in mind because if you have and why I'm particularly talking about a semi today or you have a dually pickup truck with six tires on it and you're hauling a trailer, right? Being a a you know, a tandem on that tandem, a goose neck or 1/5 wheel and has three axles.

Right? Then you have three axles, you have another six tires on there. So you have the potential to build a lot of static electricity. So we, so that's why I'm talking about that. And then I want to carry it one step further. Is that going back to the brand of tire? Is that you could have a vehicle? Let's say you have a semi. All right. You have a semi and uh, and you have brand X, Y Z tires on it and it's not making a lot of static electricity. Excuse me. You would not know it's making a static electricity or not for the most instance. I mean, you're not going to shock the toll collector, right? But anyway, um, but it may not make me making a lot of static electricity. And now you change the tires, you put new tires on, you put recaps on it, you change the tires on the trailer, what have you. And now it's a different brand of tire or a different model of tyre and now all of a sudden the the the tires are building a lot of a static electricity, charging that vehicle. And let's say arguably the potential is that vehicle has a compromised ground chassis ground now, years ago they used to run, remember used to have the rubber, the rubber strip that would drag in the back of the cars to release the static electricity, don't even know what they don't do that today anymore sort of thing.

Is that now if the vehicle is designed properly with the good ground path and it's not compromised. Now keep in mind part of the testing and all these vehicles, I'm picking on BMW Cosa at first hand knowledge of it. But whether it's forward, whether it's general motors, whether it's christ or whether it's ram or it's Toyota makes no difference. We all go through this, this testing protocols. All right. And sometimes what you'll end up doing is you'll have to end up running an additional ground on the vehicle and this, this is pre production. So it's not like you said, well, I bought a F 1 50 pickup truck and I have to put a different ground on it now. No, this is all pre production stuff. So they may say, well, the ground, the the ground pants we had were not sufficient to to neutralize this static electricity uh, with, with this type of Tyrone and or with any type of tyrants. So this they go through all of this and then when you get the vehicle, it is properly grounded. And another thing that they do also for something called E.

M. I, is that the auto industry, trucking industry goes down. There's a place in north Carolina has a lot of, a lot of overhead wires and they do a lot of testing there for me, which is electro motive interference. And some people call it RFE radio frequency interference, but we'll stick with the grounds. So now when the vehicle leaves the assembly plant, it is designed properly to have enough and I'm going to use the word ground capacity. All right. So it has enough because if you don't have enough ground capacity of one thin little wire, a speaker wire for a ground that's not good enough ground capacity, there's there's enough ground capacity. But over the years of use that ground capacity may become compromised and may become corroded, which had now become a high impedance ground, right? The ground capacity could also have been altered because the vehicle could have gotten into some sort of collision and you know, and the guy putting it back, I can't get this. What the hell you need to strap over here for the hell with it, right the hell, but I can't get help, but I know they didn't.

Really stupid engineers did it and then you buy this vehicle, it's yours, it's and you bought it knowing it's repaired and it's going down the road fine, but you're building up a lot of static static electricity. So now what's going to happen is that just like a lightning strike, that electricity is going to look to go to ground Now in simplistic terms. What I'm not laughing just coughed in simplistic terms what will happen and it's not an a to a comparison. But for our explanation here on the podcast is that the vehicle actually act like a capacitor and a capacitor in electrical terms and electronics stores a charge. All right. So when you had breaker points, you had a capacitor and the purpose of the capacitor was just as the distributor camp turned and the points broke open right, there was still residual energy left in the coil because a lot of people didn't understand that because if the, let's say arguably it took 10,000 volts to light the spark plug and the coil came down to 9999 volts.

It has one vote shy of lighting the spark plugs or the spark plug extinguishers. Cause ignition coil is just like a bank account that check your account. Well, if you have nine, if you, if you write a check for $10,000 and you have $9999 in the bank account. In theory, that check is gonna bounce because you don't have enough funds to cover it. So conversely with, with an ignition coil, is that if you have 9000, 999 volts in that coil left over, because you depleted firing that spark plug and the spark plug requires 10,000. They're still all of that voltage state that wants to go someplace. So what would happen is the breaker points open up and start to separate. The job of the capacitor is to take that extra voltage that was not used. The left over voltage that could not fire the spark, not enough to fire the spark plug and absorb it and then dissipated, dissipated. And if anybody looked at ignition scope would be called coil and condenser oscillations. We're not gonna go there. So basically in essence with a capacitor does historic charge and if you look at it and a modern engine control system, whether it's on a combine or whether it's on a pickup truck or what have you, has capacitors in it.

And so if you were to disconnect the battery from that application that it doesn't erase its memory immediately. So it has a capacity which is a reserve to keep what they call the K. M. Keep alive memory inside the TCU. So the thing is that there is a capacity and over time that that capacitor will dissipate like like a like a tire with a slow leak. So if you disconnect the battery and the keep alive memory in the sea was not going to stay for three weeks, it may stay for a day or two or three hours, Depending upon the size of the capacitor, how big meaning its storage capacity? All right. And lots of times, as in the side to this. When you're if you have a trouble code in Annecy, you and you use some sort of scandal or something to erase the trouble code, you're dumping the capacitor and the electronics. The term dumping means that your shunting somehow that capacity to ground and it's usually done through the chassis of the circuitry in the Eu.

So you're taking that voltage and you're dumping it to ground your discharging. And they call instead of discharging the capacitor that they this slang would be dumped, the cat. They would say it dumped the cap meaning dumped the capacity. All right. So, anyway, So, what happens is that this semi going down the road? This pickup truck, this card is a motorcycle, whatever it may be, is going down the road, and these tires are running rolling down the road, and this friction is creating static electricity. Now, if it's not properly grounded or or has, it's a faulty ground, meaning a high impedance ground. For whatever reason, that the reasons we discussed or and in the development stage, if it doesn't have a sufficient ground capacity, is that what will happen is this vehicle, whatever it may be, he's going to act like a big capacitor and it's gonna hold a charge. Now, when I told you a story about BMW, we're going through the toe boots, we went through the toll boots on the way back to the facility, to the engineering facility and those test routes are anywhere from 180 to 280 miles.

I forgot the exact number 1 76 to 2 81 or something like that. So we were all highway miles. I was running all highway and secondary road miles. So we're on curvy roads and I remember curvy roads, you got the tire scuffing slightly, you don't realize that building was static electricity. So it was important for us to go to that test route and not run the route backwards. You have to run the route because the thing was we wanted to have the car act like a capacitor, which you would be on its own and stored a charge and then, I mean hopefully not sort of charge, but if it if the ground, if they if the tires were making so much static electricity that our ground paths that we had designed into the car were not sufficient enough. That's when we would whack the guy with the, when we gave him the token, we get the shock and scream. So I'm not laughing. But some of them were like, I think it was a big talk, especially in the winter in the dark. But anyway, so the thing is that excuse me, the vehicle acts like a capacity.

Now. The important thing that you need to understand here is that, as I started to say before, is that electricity will it's gonna go someplace. All right, So like a lightning strike, it's going to go someplace now. The thing basically is, is that if the path of least resistance is not, the path of least resistance requires more voltage, which is electrical pressure for it to escape, then it has it's going to keep building up and storing that electrical pressure. So let's think of putting air in a tire. So let's say if you put £70 a year in this tire, it holds, you put £80. It holds. You put £90 it holds, you hit £100. All right. And what happens is that the sidewall and where meets the bead on the rim and everything cannot hold anymore on the tire blows or pops or whatever you wanna call bump. Right? So, like a kid blowing up a balloon, you blow it up, blow it up, blow it up to a certain point that stretches in the balloon pops.

Well, the same thing is going to happen with stored which stored static electricity, if it takes I'm making up numbers 10,000 volts, let's say for it to jump this arc to ground, then the thing basically is, is that and you have 9000 volts. It's gonna stay stored in there. It's eventually going to want to try to get out. So the fact of the matter is the ground pants and having a sufficient ground capacity is not going to allow that to be stored. It's going to constantly be letting it go to ground to be dissipated where it should be now on that same theme, It's gonna wanna go someplace now, it's going to find the path of least resistance. We all heard that's a million times over the years about electricity, it's going to look for the path of least resistance wherever it may be. So the thing is that lots of times the path of least resistance because the vehicle and like I say, you have a semi 18 wheels right? You're going to be making 18 times the potential static energy or let's say nine times what a two wheel motorcycle would be, right, because it is nine times the amount of tires and surface area touching the road.

So the thing is, it's gonna go someplace. It's just a matter of how much static, how did the vehicle as it becomes a capacitor? It stores discharge. And how much does it they go someplace. And a common place for it to go is to the engine call it So very, very common. And what now when we when we talk about engine coolant, we could talk about electrolysis or electrolytic effect. All right. They're both damaged the engine, but it doesn't only go to the coolant. There's a lot of areas that it could go and specifically with semi trucks, uh, marine applications because the marine is not requires the ground inside the frame. Or do you want to call the future? Not the future larger the boat, whatever alcohol of the boat. But we're gonna talk about, you know, when we don't bring any, we're not doing marine stuff on the farm. But anyway, is that what it's gonna do? So if it, if it finds it easier to go through the wheel bearing to the spindle, it's going to do that.

If it finds it easier to go through the transmission from the gear set the planetary years that it's going to do it, if it finds it easier to go through the differential, it's going to do it. So it's going to find the path of least resistance. But historically, historically it usually find historically, I'm repeating it for the third time, finds the path of least resistance through the call it. But it is not the only place I could find the path of least resistance. And then over the years, it, and if you run enough, uh, if it builds up enough static electricity and it starts to find a pair through a wheel bearing. And you know, people, I've said this before on the show, I think a couple of people contacted me and told me I was full of, I didn't know what I was talking about, but uh, you could actually weld a wheel bearing to the spindle. All right now. It's not gonna be like you struck an arc or with a welder and two seconds later bearing as well that what's going to happen over time, it's going to start to well that bearing.

And then at one particular point, given a certain scenario now granted that is rare and I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's not, I mean, it's rare, it's not happening. It's the one in a million, as far as welding or bearing is concerned. But years ago, back in the seventies, in late six, I think the early seventies, they had a problem with some Corvettes. They didn't put it attach a ground from the factory and they actually used to weld the left front wheel bearing to the spindle in the wheel would break off. And I used that example before on the show about a year and a half ago and somebody told me I was full of it. But that is, you could look back into into statistics and General Motors had a bulletin on that probably in the seventies or something. Early seventies about that. It was very, very rare. But usually what will happen is that it will find use the coolant of the engine as a ground path and the static electricity. Now that is, that is an uh, an electrolysis. So it's the, the coolant actually becomes like an electoral light in a battery and it's going to take it.

And what it will do is that just like you will have Cavite ation erosion on a diesel cylinder liner. Alright, You will also have the ability to have electrolysis to the silver. Not only a decent happened to a gas engine also, but it's going to find the path, but a diesel cylinder liner because there's the parent material and then there's the material that the liner is made out of is a little bit is different. So what will end up doing is that it will eat a hole through that liner. Now is not the same and allow cooling to get into the cylinder, which will then hydro lock the engine and throw a rod through the block and forget about very costly. But it's not the only place that that could happen. So the thing is that you could do a an an electoral an electrolysis test with the coolant. And what you would need to do is is you could look for a background away but you could also do a test with the cool that if you go to my website, I have an article on that would be easier to show you than what you do is you connect the volt meter volt meter, negative lead to a battery ground has to be a good ground.

All right. And then you put the positive leader development, you have it on the milli volts scale and you put the positive lead of the volt meter in the cooling without it touching any metal. I can't touch the the the core of the radiator. Can't touch the tank, You can't touch anything. And you read the voltage in there and there's based upon the materials, it should be zero, almost zero voltage. You may be attentive. You have, you have 3/10 of a vault there. Then you have a problem. Now, that's not to be confused with there's two dynamics with this. So that's that is a ground path issue. But also you could have a possibility of what's called an electrolytic effect where you have this similar metals interacting with the coolant as making it a battery and actually makes the engine like a battery. But the point that I want to talk to you about here is that there's something for you to know. I don't want you to go crazy and I want you to go crazy. All right. And said running around with evolved meter all day long. But keep in mind these.

Take home messages before we go into the tool box test. Is that number one is that you need to be mindful of what's going on with the vehicles? Let's say that you have, I'm going to pick on a semi because it's because of the tire count the write the thing based here. So if you, if you've driven this semi and you put new tires on it, right or you didn't even put new tires and you say jeez, you know, I know what I do when I get out of the vehicle and I touched the door handle, I get a get a little bit of a static electricity like when you take your sweatshirt off and I'm not the way it is electrocuting you have in your hand, stand up and you feel something that's often a canary in the coal mine. Now if you, I've had people contact me from the car side that they've changed the tires on the car and was, I think one guy character, he was a Kia Kia Sorrento. It wasn't like it was a hot rod or something. He put a different brand of tires on it and then he used to always get static electricity shocked. So I said to him, well, the thing what that's telling me is that you know that the tire that you purchased is building a lot of static charge.

All right. And the ground capacity of that vehicle is not able to dissipate it. So either number one is that the ground capacity of that vehicle has been compromised? Was in an accident was in a collision that something that they may be connected fully from the factory. Who knows? I can't tell you I'm not a swami and then all the other thing. So that means or those tires are creating so much static electricity like those tires that that it's overwhelming that ground capacity that the factory felt was sufficient. So at that particular point, you neither either need to add additional ground from the body to the chassis or put a grounding strap on or by a different set of tires. And that's a hard pill to swallow. If you are have a semi right, then you have all those tires and you just put them or what have you. But what I want you to do is I want you to be mindful of it. I want you to be mindful of it on your equipment. So now you have a combine, so you're harvesting crop, right?

So let's say you get a grain head on, that spinning and the crop is going through it, that has the ability to build static electricity also. So what I need for you to do is be mindful of any time that you have sensed static electricity by getting a little bit of a shock or something that you haven't had before. Now. Lots of times You cannot. You may not even get a shock. But let's say arguably now all of a sudden you have a heat exchanger that is involved with the coolant. So you have a E. G. R cooler, you have a heater core, you have a radical later you have something like that that all of a sudden now is it starts to leak and you say oh it's leaking. All right fine. All right. You need to be do a forensic examination of it and I can put under a microscope, but any type of heat exchanger that starts that that fails with multiple small holes. Or even it could be an intake manifold. There could be a housing, aluminum thermostat housing on the, on the engine, right?

And now you take it apart and it looks like it has uh, it and it's uh, has small holes and that's where the leak is. Or you take it apart and just like I have spoken about pump cavity ation, which is different from air bubbles, just like so in the line of gravitation and you see the metal inside or the aluminium starting to get all pitted and or park marked and what have you and looking like that. Then the thing basically is, that's a, that's a true indicator of having some ground path go through there. So if you were to just fix that without confirming where the background is or running an additional ground, then you're going to have that part fail again. And to my way of thinking is that I would rather have a, have a some kind of, the heat exchanger fail instead of popping the so on the liner, on a C 13 cat or whatever it may be or engine in your combine, whatever it may be. So I guess today's show is more explaining that static electricity is something that could be of great detriment to your equipment and it needs to be dissipated and not allow for that vehicle that a piece of equipment to become a capacitor and stored because it will get to a certain point and it will find a place to grow to grow to go.

And when it does that, it erodes whatever it's using, it becomes a, it becomes sacrificial and it erodes it and eats it away because it's going to ground that it always has collateral damage, but you need to be mindful of that. So the first thing is be mindful of the vehicle when you're driving it or operating it, so you're getting it. And then if that does happen, then you said, jeez, I just change the tires, something that kind of combine, it's not gonna be anything different in, let's say in the, in the header. Right? But tires and semi trucks and a lot of guys by and I don't play them. They buy older used road tractors to haul grain because they're not putting a lot of miles on every year and they're gonna haul grain with that. And the thing is that that vehicle could have been in a collision. All right. It could have been a collision. It could have just deteriorated grounds or what have you. A dirty grounds. And now, all of a sudden starting to build up the static electricity and it's a great, great detriment. And if you go to my website, there are, there's under the learn tab uh, that there is an article on that, showing you how you check that with some specifications for the volt meter.

So please please keep that in mind. And also, no, that when your personal vehicles, you pick up truck, your wife's car, your kids car, that they should also be mindful of that and mindful of that because you will end up even something is say, jeez, I put these tires on and now the radio, I get some static on the radio or something is happening lots of times. That is the canary in the coal mine. That's showing that there's a lot of, uh, a lot of electrons being built up. The need to go someplace. So if you have any questions or any concerns, please feel free to contact me that hot rod farmer at farm machinery digest dot com and now we are going to get into our toolbox test, but first we need to have texture. Benowitz come in from rips or records and he's gonna sing his Hot rod man song. Come on in text buddy. Mm. Mhm. Well, I'm rolling daddy with the mean machine has got to be at holding it through his cleanup. Otter rock man. Yeah, I'm a hot rod. Okay. Already text. Thank you so much.

So, here's our toolbox test question. All right, You now, I I don't know if this even has to do with that. You know, it doesn't do it. I just go through the list of my toolbox tests and uh and then go from there with him. So I don't I print them out and I don't look at what, you know what the show topic on that tape. So sometimes they uh on the same topic, but this particular instance, they're not okay that I confused him. You rebuilt the engine on your date. J john Deere 40 20 now with about 40 hours on a cold. Coolant is leaking out of the weep holes on the block. You installed all new O rings. Thinking the worst and frustrated. You look for advice. Farmer A tells you to calm down and take the cylinder head back off and check to see if the O rings did not seat properly or they got nicked or torn during assembly. Farmer B feels that the block is cracked and you did not notice it.

Farmer C says the head gasket is on backwards and that is why it is leaking. And then Farmer D. Believes that the head balls are too long and our bottom bottoming out. So no one likes to put an engine back together. Especially one with O rings. That is when you're finding, you know, coolant leaking out of the weep holes on the block. Well, that's much better than leaking into the engine oil. All right. Because you could actually live with cool and leaking out of the week holes in the block. You have to keep topping it off. But that is not right. But if you need to get something done in the field in the farm, you could actually get by with that and not have a problem. So, what I'm going to do is that I did not, I was busy with trying to get some more plantings in and with, uh, so I did not have the opportunity of a lot of total box test, not toolbox, that special delivery letters, but I I wanted to go through them and, and so I could have some semblance of a question.

What I do is I answer all the letters. Whoever contacts me, I answer all the letters. So nobody goes unanswered. I don't choose artist letter is good. All right. But I want to have something that I feel will have the most uh, bring the most value to the broadest part of the audience. So, if I if if it's not, if it's a very focused letter or something I answered before then I will answer the person directly and that included on the show so that I could give you the most value. So I did not I have to ask for your apologies. I did not get a chance to go through the letters and pick out the one I want. So there will not be a special delivery letter, but be rest assured that if you do write to me is that you will get an answer. You're not going to be you know, you're not gonna be pushed to decide. I don't like your letter. So they will not be a special delivery letter today. So I'm gonna go right into the tool box test question answer and then I'm gonna say, I wish you guys uh a good week. Alright, so farmer a is providing the most practical advice. So it's the most practical advice at this particular because they really don't know what's wrong.

And you have to remember that these toolbox tests are written to be a true learning experience, not just answer a true learning experience. So farmer is providing the most practical advice since it took around 40 hours for the leak to begin. The most likely cause is an injured O ring or O rings in this instance. This with that john Deere 40 20 cylinder had needs to come off and everything needs to be studied in detail. So I want to just take a minute or two before we close and say to you, is that when you have a problem and you put something together or if you didn't put it, I think it's back to where we were talking about today with the, with the, with the static electricity. All right. Uh, and the electrolysis. The thing is that, hey, did I put new tires on the vehicle? Was the vehicle that I have the transmission out that somebody do something, leave the ground. That I run over something on the road and maybe ripped up, ripped out of ground. You can't be, you know, have blinders on to all of this stuff. You have to pay attention.

And with this particular instance, what I want to try to drive home is that I felt or that, that the other farmers. All right. The other farmers potential potential area for the leakage. All right. It's not the most likely cause because it took 40 hours for the leak to begin. So what basically probably happened and like I said, I don't have X ray vision. It probably happened in this particular says, is that the O ring was nicked or damaged, but there was a part of the O ring that was still ceiling and then after 40 hours of operation that little bit, I guess metaphorically hanging on by a thread, right? Is that it started to leak? So whenever you're diagnosing something, you don't just run and replace it. You have to think about just like what a crop. You look at the crop, you know, God forbid of a crop failure. You don't just go, I want to throw something out. You have to understand what's going on and that's the part of being a mechanic and keeping your equipment. Cause remember it's not the money you make on the farm, it's what you keep and your equipment could be very costly and we all make mistakes, but you need to study what is going, what, what went wrong.

So I want to thank you so much again. Thank you for making idle chatter, a top 10 podcast in the world. You won't hear that from me again. So I want to thank you and if I told you last week, I apologize. Alright, apologized that and know that the hot rod farmers pulling for you, the american farmer and rancher and my beloved beloved America, you have a blessed day and I'll catch you next week. Be safe. Thank you. Bye bye. Yeah.

Hot Rod Farmer: The destruction caused by static electricity.
Hot Rod Farmer: The destruction caused by static electricity.
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