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Yolanda Mogatusi - Film Maker, Entrepreneur, Agent of Life

by Stephan K Thieringer
August 13th 2021

In this episode I speak with my good friend Yolanda Mogatusi, a South African filmmaker and entrepreneur,  about Life as it happens, positivity, seeing the good in people and living life positive. ... More

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Here we go folks. When you hear this music, you know where you are, you're back at rob grants. My name is Stephan tearing er and you know we are in season two and today I have a really special guest, She's a filmmaker, she's a friend, she is the energy catalyst and we're going to talk about that. Why I call her that. She has the most electric smile you will ever see in a room full of filmmakers. She's a director and writer herself, she's produced several movies and she's with us today all the way from South Africa Mhm I'm gonna say her first name because nobody can pronounce her name the way she can.

Yolanda welcome and please in the proper proper name. How do we really, if we want to say this is Yolanda, nobody can say it like you say it, Yolanda ability to see, I can't do it folks, Yolanda, it's amazing, amazing to see you and I'm so honored, I'm so happy to have you here because this is like two friends talking across the world, which is amazing and you're going to be sharing your story with us today. So folks, listen in, this is going to be about here, that moves persistence, perseverance, Overcoming lessons of life and a lot of other stuff we're going to talk about, so you learn the lessons of life at what point did you know that filmmaking and entered? I don't know is it entertainment?

That's your journey in life, that's kind of your passion, that's is it purpose or is it passion? I think it's a bit of both. I'm not just sure if there's a specific point, but I know that when I was young, I went to this um missionary school and that being a missionary school, so it was like, it was an american principle, I don't know if you guys, I don't know what, I don't know what the word for principle is, Maybe that was like a headmaster. Yeah, there we go. And um and there were missionaries and and that's where I encountered two things that were my, having my biggest loves, the first one was dance. That's where I started belly dancing. We had this Russian lady who was a valid teacher and she was amazing. I just remember teacher Irene and just how particular she was in the way she taught us. So I learned to dance like properly like professionally like classical dancing um at that school. And then the second thing was we should have story time.

So it's been a missionary school. Story time would be bible stories, but bible stories will be told to us, we would all sit down and then the teacher would have this um like a that's not a deck of cards but a deck of like paintings or pictures or graphics. And she would tell us bible stories by kind of using these pictures. She was a picture. Okay, now this is where the first plague happened in Egypt. What what what what what what then God separated the Red sea. And we're all like, oh we never heard these stories before. No, but I remember that feeling, I remember sitting down storytime and hearing these stories about these impossible things. So that's where two of my, my my passions, my things, I love doing the most were kind of introduced to me. I only realized this years later. Um that film is basically just telling stories through moving picture and you're seeing those pictures and these ridiculous stories. I mean the whole red sea being parted.

I'm like how do you do that? I was Maybe 7, 8 years old. But I was also already like, no, that doesn't happen. You know what I mean? I knew that but it was just like what? And then the ballet. I could just, I could just dance. We, there was a show once the teacher just auditioned a couple of us and she was like, you and I was like, okay. And then I, you know, did the things and then later Van I know I was actually really good at this thing and not just really good cause I could learn it. Like my body could just do these things and could do them really easy. And so from then on and did this love for dancing and this love for it could also draw and stuff like that just grew and grew and I'm for the longest time. I thought it was just something I could do. Like, you know, school, some people are sporty and it's like, you know, in the tennis team or whatever. The rugby team, football, well not really football. American football, but you don't imagine it's gonna go anywhere. You just look at the extra mural. So let me ask a question. I mean, you just brought something up. You said, you know, I realized that I was good at something and I want our listeners to kind of be able to connect to that a little bit and at what point or what are some of the moments where you said, you know, I realized I was really good at it.

Are there any things that you can share from your own journey which helped you to see you were good at it? Or was it externally? Somebody telling you what was that moment where you said, you know what, that's really, I'm good at that. I think it was externally in the beginning when I was a child. Somebody telling me as I grow older though, I've had moments where I've had to tell myself, I'm gonna say, I've had to tell myself, I got to say Yolanda, you've been doing this for a while, You know what you're doing? Trust, your gut trust, for instance, you've got this. But as a child, because I didn't really know like, I don't know how you're supposed to be doing anything when the bali teachers like, wow, what well done that was good or she puts me in front of the line where she makes me play the lead. You know, you did any the one year, I think she made me play the whole lead and I was spending more extra time with friends was teaching me other things like advanced things that we haven't learned yet in class and even all the other bali teachers, all the comments that they would make. I'm not really, I didn't know what things are supposed to look like? I didn't even know about Pointe shoes and all of that until I really delved into the dancing.

So it was very much external and people saying hey you've got this and people speaking that over me which was amazing and which was really really great even with my writing right? Right. So that creative nurture that that come from your family then mostly. And was that something you just had? Not really and I want to say not really not that my parents weren't created. I think they were both very creative. But I think they grew up in a time where again creativity was just okay cool you can do that on the side on your own time. But when things get real you become a doctor or you become an accountant or you do something serious. So I don't think they necessarily nurtured it. I will say this though. I mean I've always been once I got into dancing and all that I've always been a very very arty child. I loved drawing, I loved just drawing out fashion designing. I've been doing that since primary school. I think primary school maybe elementary school for you guys. But I've been doing that right we're taking a detour here now. Right if you're listening if you don't notice this journey.

So how many movies have you on your imdb record? There's like three or four of them mentioned but I know there's, yeah no no no it is about three or four but I've done some tv stuff there for a long time you can put an I. M. B. D. S yet, but I think some of them is on there now um but yeah, three maybe that's kind of the official, that's the official track and then for the fun of it you're, you're also now efficient entrepreneur. I know you and I talked about this the first time probably about a year and a half, two years ago when you first thought about it. Maybe not quite that long, but so that's now the fashion creative pete drawing imagination which is kind of in a different way expressing itself. Tell us about The entrepreneur in you because I think even if you're a filmmaker, you're still an entrepreneur, if your producer you've got to be an entrepreneur. I know, I think 1000 hugs is your your production company and, and, and you know you've got to be an entrepreneur to, to do that. If you would kind of look at the journey of difficulty, right, that roller coaster and entrepreneurs roller coaster we always talk about as entrepreneurs were, how do you deal with it.

How do you deal with the anxiety, the fear of the pressure and or do you not have anxiety and fear and pressure around it? I think I have the risk propensity to be an entrepreneur and I'll say that by telling this story um um if you'll allow me, uh so tracking back maybe to again be talking about me being in primary school in this child, I realize now that everything I'm doing I'm currently doing and interested in all started back then without me even realizing even the fashion. So, I mean, I mentioned even drawing and stuff. I literally used to do dresses and stuff like that And I was in primary school, I was like 10 years old, you know, 10, 11 and I did the dancing then and I mean, I love story and I would write and stuff like that. And I remember being at school and having uh these group of people that was two people come to our school and tell us you need to all start thinking about your own businesses because in 10 years time when you guys into the job market, there will be no jobs for you, there will be no jobs.

And I was, I mean, I was like a great student. Okay, well like an a student, you know, getting all the marks and all of that. So I was like, I'm working towards something, I'm working towards becoming a doctor. I'm working towards something like professional. That's the whole point of, you know, going for the marks and what and what not, right? So in my mind, I was like, no, everything I've worked for, it's gonna be like null and void by the time I get to the finish line And I remember, I remember literally being like 11 years old and having this fear in my heart after that session with these guys, but after that series, after I just kind of sat with it and sat with the sphere as an 11 year old for a bit. I remember making the decision, okay, well, that's it. If they know there's not gonna be a job for me, I'm gonna have to create my own job, literally. I remember that moment and making that decision because I made the decision that early on, I did go through that moment of fear, but I knew, look, Yolanda, you're gonna have to find your own way through and then through high school. I remember doing little bits and pieces here and there. I remember when my family went through a really tough financial moment, I was busy baking and selling cakes at church and selling cakes wherever I could just make money so that they don't have money completely got to make a plan.

I'm like, I got to make a plan, like, literally, so I'm always looking for opportunities where I could do that, and so I feel like I, I dealt with the fear and the fear will go I so it was supposed to do, how am I supposed to fit into this world? But it was like, no, just do your own thing. And even when I got to do to film school, I actually wanted to be an actress because performance is my thing, the dancing being on stage. Like, I really love that one of my dreams that I haven't realized it was to be part of a musical like to do musical theater. And so everybody's listening here who is a musical producer who's looking for Yolanda. There is your next star for the musical broadway at the video in new york. Hell yes, Right. Absolutely, absolutely. But even in film school, I remember going indeed into all of the acting workshops but feeling like, no, this is not sustainable because everywhere I go, and at every single audition I go into, I have to wait for someone else's approval of me in order for me to get a job in some way or form, I need someone else's affirmation that I'm correct or I am right or I look right or whatever that I am enough before I can get a role and I was like, I can't, that's not sustainable.

I love that. You talk about this because I think today, right? We we live in such a society if that social media, if that's anything we do, we constantly look very, very actively. We look for that validation and approval of I'm enough and I've dealt with as you know, my story, That's not good enough, right? It's my 93 year old father still today as he gets a little gentler as he gets older, but he'll need 30 seconds to make me feel like not good enough easy if I don't set the boundary. What was your lesson? What's what are some of the lessons you would share? The approval of you? Where was that switch where you send then then recognize you know what nobody else is giving me that. What is some of when there are moments today when you run into that potentially what do you do? How do you how do you center yourself? How do you bring yourself back and ground yourself that you don't go down that spiral as entrepreneurs and to go down off, you know, we get dramatic, we get overly sensitive, we go deeper and deeper and deeper down in that vortex of Maybe it's drama, maybe it's fear, maybe it's whatever the combination of the two May present to us.

How do you how do you catch yourself? So Stefan in the beginning I started speaking about, you know growing up and and and and all of these gifts of these talents being called out uh you know, and being pointed out for me but the indeed does come a time where I need to remind myself or kind of, you know, call them out in myself. And I think for me when I realized that I have to make that switch where I can't be waiting for people to constantly be saying you've got potentially got potential. There comes a time the potential has to turn into something else. But you've got to now it's time like the potential has to arrive. It has to be used and sometimes people aren't there cheering you on. No, they're not. So they do that for a while while you are young. And I absolutely absolutely appreciated each and every single teacher, Intergenerational dance teacher, even the ones who are like, no, you're too tall. I was once upon a time to talk to be a ballet dancer once upon a time. But well that things are very different now, but even all of those who are like this, but um and you you can't do this and you can't do this because you like this.

I so appreciate everything that was spoken over me. Especially all of the good things because the good things were so incredible that were beyond anything I realized and these were from adults. People who lived in this world and could see that your you with that that you've got, oh things are gonna happen. I remember even a library teacher saying something about my writing and saying something that you know what, that's gonna make you a lot of money one day and I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't think I'd really like a poem or story. I just had no idea. But there came a time where I had to remind myself like you've been told all of this Yolanda, you gotta believe it now. Like I can't wait, I can't wait for other people to cap for me is the fun, I can't wait for other people too. To, to to to to validate me. I've got to get up and I've got to look at myself in the mirror and say, yo girl we are looking good today, we're going to have a good day. This day is gonna be good, this is what we're gonna do, I'm in control, I'm deciding we're having a good day and that's what we're doing. You know, waiting for people.

It's like just like because it never comes and so what did you expect? It's so amazing. I mean you've participated in my thursday morning coffee chats and and you and I speak occasionally and and and you know, I gotta get to share the story how you and I met quickly can I can I do that? It was years ago at the film festival in new york and that's not something I go on a regular basis to. I was supposed to meet some people, they couldn't find them in the room and in Mark's Yolanda and she has this vibrant smile about her and I can't remember exactly what I said, but I said something to the effect of, oh my God, you have the most incredible smile that I've seen ever in my life and and that's that's her and the reason why I'm saying this is because I think one of the things we're talking about is motivation. We talk about energy and we talk about, what do we give off into the world and every time I speak to you? Every time I see you, if it's now, if it's on the coffee chat, I get this immense charge of energy from you.

Have you always been able to bring that to your surroundings? Are you kind of the catalyst, the motor of your environment usually? Well, you know what, it's kind of strange because I, you don't know what you are, what you bring until somebody kind of mentions it and stuff, you know? Um so, and I know I mentioned to you once before that one of my name is the name that my grandmother gave me isn't Zaragoza and that means joy, you know the joyful one and I'm like, yes, like she saw me actually just like got my essence, you know, and I'm like, yeah, and I choose to live in the story, but I also feel like it's something that's been given to me, you know, some people are extremely, extremely intelligent, some people are, I don't know, very brave or courageous. I'm just quite joyful. But there was a moment where I've had moments where um it's been too much for people, it's almost like you're so joyful, it must be fake and I've had to um almost figure out my safe spaces when I can just be and I can give up this joy, especially I found famous people very suspect of someone who's very joyful, it's like why are you so literally famous people if I had to like interview someone that celebrity or something and I'm like hello.

And I'm very like, and they're just like, what do you want? Like just like saying hello to help? Uh It's awesome. Well, but I think, you know, that's their that's almost like reverse validation for them, right? So instead of just taking it in and saying, oh my God, somebody is responding to me in a positive sense, they probably feel, oh my God, usually people are intimidated by me and they don't know what to do with themselves. So they retract their turtle rather than coming out of their shell and you're this person who's like vibrant, It's you're out there. Yeah, but it's actually funny. I think it's also kind of a society we're living in right now where I remember reading a quote that said, sometimes niceness and friendliness is um is seen as you flirting and it's like no where the lines get crossed or maybe your kindness is seen as you've been depressed that you want something else. And I think it's true, those things do happen. Uh you know, you know, we have the wolves among the sheeps but cheaper, but it's tricky.

It's tricky because you have to kind of wherever you go to certain things. But I mean I've come to a point where you know what if I've got all of this to give I'm gonna give all of this and sometimes spaces need all of this um sometimes spaces need even just the energy, sometimes spaces need hope because sometimes people can just decide to stay in the doom and gloom and really literally just part themselves there and I'm like, no guys, we need, we need, we need to climb, we keep climbing. My favorite quote is a martin Luther quote, I don't know if it's martin Luther king or martin Luther um but it's, it says if I knew the world was going to end tomorrow, I would still plant my apple tree and for me really that just kind of encapsulates my, my, my, my my mindset, my ethos, my kind of my indeed my philosophy about life and kind of yeah, just keep going, but also just be that ray of hope and find that hope within yourself and then pull that whole box into the world that needs hope, I love that, I love that guys, I want to do a quick reset.

We're gonna we're gonna turn the music up on a song that a lot of you probably know because it's a netflix movie. That's where I discovered that song, we're talking today with the filmmaker a super different, the smiling energy catalyst in every room. She's a director, she's a writer and she also petals in entrepreneurship quite a bit more than just piddling, She's got a clothing label which she's going to tell us more about in a second as well. And we just talked about lessons of life, Yolanda, the journey, lessons of life kind of what you can share about persistence, perseverance, overcoming Yeah. What are some of the things that, that you feel that are lessons to be shared there things, advice, directions, moments of learning that you've had, Which may be a young listener listening here, somebody who's 15, 20 years old, 25 years old, who's listening maybe still in college thinking about what am I going to do next?

People who know me know, I talk a lot about conformity doing things because other people want us to, but then that rebel comes up and we say screw that. I'm not going to do that. I want to do something else and finding that almost inter permission to pursue that and saying, you know what, that's what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna take a chance. I'm going to jump off and I'm going to leap into the world off filmmaking, writing, directing, fashion, whatever it may be. That's a very hard uh, um, and possibly length the question to answer Stefan because I've had, I've had a very long and extended season of um, failure as well. I called, I could call them failures, but somebody else might call them read erections because words are important. I've had a long season of, again, things not working out the way that maybe I'd hoped or planned. Um, and maybe not getting what I really want or like, but what I would say about indeed um failure and you're and obstacles and stuff, first of all, it is okay to fail, like it is k to fail.

And someone once told me once I found out that it was okay to fail after being told you cannot fail because if you fail, you're not good enough out, no more chances for you, someone said, and if you fail, if you should fail fail spectacularly and you know what owned that failure? And it is oh, okay, It is, you know, one 100%. I mean, not just yesterday, the conversation with people about creating culture of failure, right? Let's talk about the effort and the effort being failure, and that's okay, because I think that's what we need, right? Because people are so concerned about taking that risk. I mean, at what point, I mean, in your career or careers for that matter then, I mean, I loved, as you said, a season of failures and I'm sure there was more than one, just as for me and and many other people, the question is, do we talk about it, what did we learn from it? You know, are we making the same mistake again, over and over and expect a different result? Well, hopefully not.

Um what were some of those moments, I mean, any any funny stories you can share where you say, oh my God, there was one thing that happened and actually in retrospect it maybe is a you laugh about it, but in the moment it happened it was like oh my God, this just really happened. Well I'm not sure if I've experienced my retrospect moments as yet, but I remember when I started out in the film business, I started out quite at a really nice and I never can call it high level or when I don't know, I don't know if that's those are the right words. But I started out quite nice like as a producer really and no one ever started as a producer and you started at the bottom and you have to work your way up because the film industry is still very much has a hierarchy, still kind of very much, you know uh that's kind of yeah, but yeah, yeah that everything is built on and so I started off as a producer because I had in the different tv show or not to be show got picked up. So I started out indeed making decisions. I started out being invited to the table.

I started out negotiating. You know, I mean I started out quite like in these meetings that people work, you know, half a lifetime to get into And we had these things talk to us, they were like we've been trying to do this for about 10 years, you guys just arrived. You literally just arrived and you get invited to this thing and I mean, I didn't really understand what they were saying at the time, but what I realized what that did for me was it built up some confidence because I've been there, I've been there, like I've been in that room, there wasn't that I'm reaching out to, you know, I was there, we said we did the things, you know, like at things during chaotic at some point, had to deal with that, you know, Yeah, you know, it was there and and and it was and it was fine. And so after that, to give us enough uh impetus to kind of maybe branch off and kind of do our own thing. So we start our own production company and we started doing our own tv shows. But after a while and I mean, we were just there was a season where we're just getting all these shows because I imagine nowadays were fresh.

Um you know, and I I try to write in a way so that people can understand what I'm saying, but also very descriptively so that people can see a clear picture of what I'm pitching and so were critical of these things and we're getting invited to come in and like, you know, shortlisted and pitch and whatnot. But the chemist season a time when it just stopped and the way it stopped, it was so weird. It was so weird because we were pushing and really um putting through so many concepts, so many amazing concepts. We even had other writers come in, we would do these group sessions. So it's not just our ideas that we would come in and we would put out grass our, you know, our flavor over it. And that, that winning thing that we thought we had. Um, But not a single one came through, Not a single one came through. Actually what happened with even the one noticing one came through, we get called in to come pitch. The one when we get called in to come pitch. The one before I arrived at the pitch, I'm traveling from a film festival with a colleague and someone I've known for a while and I'm practicing my little speech, you know, because I'm about to pitch and he's like, what are you doing?

I'm like, oh, I'm practicing my speech as soon as I land in Johannesburg, I've got to go to this pitch and he's like, oh, what are you pitching? And I'm like, oh, we're pitching a drama. He's like, oh, we also have a drama that we're working on. And he's like, I was watching drama about, I'm like, I can't tell you a lot, but it's set here and he's like, our drama is also set there and I'm like, okay, that's kind of weird. And he's like, oh, so who are the leads in your drama? I'm like, oh yeah, two brothers and he's like, I'll show also have two brothers and at this point things are getting a little bit awkward and then he says to me, what race are your brothers? And I'm like, oh, they're black. And he's like, oh, I was a white. And I tell you there was a very long trip back to Johannesburg one. But after that, the strangest things happen. Uh yeah. With that. Yeah, Making a yeah. Just to kind of condense the story when the show they show we pitched and everything, but we didn't get the show when they show finally kind of TX or you know, finally screen.

Um they were very, very clear similarities with our show and obviously we just thought something happened in the back end that we don't know, maybe it's things that they also were not aware of, we don't know what happened, we don't know what happened. We just know that our shows were very similar, Very, very similar. That first episode almost read like one of our treatments. So when that happened and obviously all the other shows also didn't come through and we were so sure that one of them was gonna come through through so much energy and attention and money at this thing and that's just sick, nothing came through and we were in so much debt. So so much debt at some point. Um even with the royalties that we got from one of the previous years that we did, we kept our office open for a good six months and all of that, but there came a point where the money kind of just ran out and I remember that feeling I had when we had to give over the keys of our office, you know, back to kind of the realtor and I just, I just knew it in my heart, I was like I'm not going to have another office again for a long time for a long time.

I knew it, I knew it, wow, I'm even getting a little bit emotional remembering that moment. I knew it, I knew it and the thing is we had done everything we possibly could, we were we weren't even being stingy and trying to keep all of these opportunities to ourselves, we were trying to mentor people, were trying to give people opportunities, we did so much and just, it didn't work out. And the other company that got the show and they don't show and like it became a whole other big thing, I think they made millions millions millions off of that show because it became like a daily, a daily, something like a daily show, daily soapy type thing and um but I remember that feeling, I just remember that and it took such a long time for me to we are for my writing talent, it took such a long time to reaffirm my directing talent. It took such a long time to reaffirm, just even my leadership abilities and also just you know, feeling um what's the word feeling, I don't know, feeling like your life is unfair.

It's like you can try to be a good person, but man, yo there's some games that are played. Um you know, sometimes I think in any industry, very much definitely in our industry, and if you don't wanna play the game, then, you know, you've got to accept what that means. And so they're all sorts of interesting moral things that are going on inside of my space as well that I need to confront. And um and I also need to make peace with the fact that Yolanda, if you're gonna be this person and if you s indeed you're gonna play everything by the book, which is this is something that I'm like, yeah, that's definitely what we're doing. But then you need to embrace what that means, you to embrace the kind of shows that you will get or the kind of things that the kind of projects you you will work on, you're not going to work on the big glossy sexy stuff. No, you're probably not gonna get any of that stuff. Um so you need to be okay with that. Um and also everything that comes with that, you know how people receive you.

I mean when we had the tv show, oh my goodness, was it easy to make friends, It was so easy to make friends cause we had a show that was on tv and everyone wants to know who you are. Everyone wants to introduce themselves to you because you're the producer as well, everyone's sending you the resumes and everything. As soon as the shows off tv it just doesn't exist anymore. You just like yeah you go back to just like them to oblivion like you just don't exist anymore. And so I think getting through that moment and that long process of pivoting and and and and and and eventually going into film and then going to this and then um yeah that long stretch of which I call it the wilderness, the drive and having to make decisions and stuff. That was tough. But I needed to, what I would definitely advise in that moment is surround yourself with people who will remind you like Simba blanking, remember who you are, Simba, you need to find people who tell it to remember who you know.

That's so good. Remember you, can you get that voice again, please come on who you are, Simba you need that you need people need friends. Even your parents must tell you that you know you need those people just to be that even if you feel like you are I love I love that you need that I have to write I have to write this down, remember who you are. No completely. We all need those moments. I think sometimes you know life can really beat us to a pulp. It really can, It really, really can. And for some people with some of the other stuff that I've gone through because this was a really long period and it would have been really easy to give up in the end, in the middle and to find it just works somewhere else to go find, you know, to work for somebody else or to go do something else. But I think what has kept me going and what has kept me believing that no things will turn around, um other stories and the things that I want to do with story. And I think maybe this goes back to you, uh you why, like why are you doing the things that you're doing?

I had to really ask myself what kind of films, what kind of shows do you want to do and why are you in this industry, you what do you want to do? What do you want to do when I saw all of the other stuff that was going on and how many doors were shut in my face sometimes shut right in my face. And how sometimes people will sabotage you, or we talk really badly about you instead of helping to lift you up or helping to have skilled you, where they need, where they could have skilled you, but they just decided not to and it wasn't a power to help you, but they just decided not to. So I had to really um ask myself if I was in this position, if one day I'm in a leadership position and one day I'm a ceo of something big and one day I will be say ceo something big, you know, how am I going to react differently? How am I going to help instead of break someone spread down because I can put trump on them, Get out? Yeah, you're not wanted here, I can take okay, cool, I see you over here, you're not good enough yet, but let's see how we can develop you, let's give you enough chances, just give you enough support and let's see where you go after that, I can do this and let's see where you go, you know, how can I do that on a high level and also how can I do that?

We, what is created, can expand and can affect and can uplift and empower a lot more people than just maybe to people because we are the two that are in the production company and we get all the money or anyone else's K peanuts, you know, how can I do that on a scale where everyone benefits and I'm not just saying, oh, you know, you get, you get this, you get up on us, you get up on us, we all get up, No, I'm not, I'm not saying that, but how can it be fair, how can it be fair and how can it be empowering, I mean that's a big thing, right? How to pay it forward, mentorship, grace in, in, in and up skilling other people. Again, going back to, you know, seeing people for who they are, I love that, but I think, you know that's something where every conversation and, and guys listening, um, you know, hear me say this um, Yolanda has one of those abilities when you talk to her, she really talks to you and she listens and I'm grateful for that. So, um, it's amazing when, when you and I get to talk, when people want to know more about, you know, your London, they want to get to know you and probably the easiest way to get to know you, you know what, before we go there, let's talk about for a couple more minutes about your fashion brand.

Let's talk about that quickly. What are you doing there? I'm doing a couple of things, the first thing I am making dresses and I'm trying to make dresses that just are flattering to the female body no matter what size you are. So it's address where even if you gained a few pounds or you lost a few pounds, this dress would still look good on you. So I'm, I'm working on developing those, I mean really simple dresses, really simple dresses because I also feel like it could be like a staple dress in your wardrobe and you can actually to it, you can layer it up with jackets, what not, but the base of the dress makes you look great. It makes you feel good and you can always dress it up and dress it down and also just keeping your fashion minimal, minimal and that you don't have to buy a new wardrobe every like, you know, a few months uh and this can be like a timeless piece. So those are the, that's what my my ethos is with my fashion line and just the garments are making and um and also I'm very big on african textiles and african fabrics.

And because again, african textiles and fabrics um symbolized for me, communities, it's actual hands, so many different hands that made that from scratch. You know, it's not just machines, a lot of the time, it's literally someone weaving that thing and I'm so just, yeah, big on that and how it affects the community, and I feel like there's history in that I have a fabric I bought in Mozambique about 10 years ago when I was 10 years ago, I mean 10 years ago, I take it with me everywhere. I love it's a gorgeous fabric, beautiful. I look at it and I'm like, who thought of these patterns, who thought of doing this, Who thought of putting this together. It is so beautiful and I feel like there's so much story in there, there's so much cultural story as well. So I'm very passionate about african textiles and that's the second part of the fashion business trying to get into textiles and and yeah manufacturing and it's a state to, if people want to learn about your fashion brand, I'm sure there's a website and and if they want to and the other recommendation I want, if people want to learn about you as a filmmaker and they want to say it, I want to check out what she's done, what should they watch and where can they find it?

They can watch uh here that moves definitely. That was my shift from doing television into your film and that you can find on quality tv, you can find an afro land you can find on stream picks I think on amazon. So it doesn't quite a few different places um and then rumble in the jungle also just my love of dance and my oh to dance ballroom dancing that you can find on Itunes, google play and also amazon and um my T. V. Shows are earned by a national broadcaster. So uh there was once a place where you could find them not quite at this moment in time but maybe more will come up and uh then yeah I've got some farms that I'm working on and um some of them will also be found on quickly tv and um yeah others might be a new business deviation. So we'll see, we'll see how that works out awesome, awesome awesome and if somebody wants to buy a dress is their website, they can buy it from. So just silk dash cotton dot com.

Silk cotton cotton dot com. I like it, I like it, I like it guys we're talking with and you're going to have to correct me. I can't, it's like I feel so embarrassed almost like, you know, we are friends, were really, really friends and I can't pronounce her name. That is like almost embarrassing. And I admit it because I know somebody listening is going to say so he calls her a friend and he can't even pronounce her name. Yes, I can't. I own that piece. But but you know what? It's quite frenetic and how you said it. Okay. The second name is not phonetic, but it's like yeah, baby Three. Yeah. Betty so more produces quite frenetic. It's just uh more juicy like yeah, the produces quite genetic. You just need to know that the jesu, like I can imagine your surname terrible thing. Uh that's our so the second, the second. How do I phonetically pronounce the second one more?

Uh do you see? Right and end up the Middle 1? Yeah, baby. Yeah, isn't it? Okay, so here's The deal. Here's the deal. We're making your London. I'm making a deal. The deal is this every single time that you and I are going to talk to each other now, you have to make me pronounce your entire whole because if I arrive in South Africa, which we said is going to happen in the latest 2022 South Africa, get ready for the German, I'm going to have to say Yolanda Betsy Mohammadou, see how was that? It was better. That was better. That was good. It was better. She's giving me a better, she's give me a better. You still Yeah, sir, you still failed your audition. Why don't you go spend your money elsewhere and do not do auditions for calling people names guys, we're talking to you, Elena Hi, Betsy Mohammed, juicy and she is and she's laughing her ass off right now.

She's a filmmaker, she's a friend, she is an amazing human being. Go check her out here. That moves on amazon or silk hyphen cotton dot com where you can order her fashion line. And that's another thing. She's deeply in, in entrepreneurship. We talked today about remembering who you are, Simba. We talked about perseverance and persistence, overcoming life's challenges, dreaming as a seven year old already about what you're going to want to do, that creativity, dance, being in ballet and filmmaking and also being somebody who can actually write and be a poet is a dream if that's what you feel you should pursue Yolanda. Any final words you want to leave with our listeners mm, wow! I think these will be my final words because I have lived and I've seen how true that they are true they are.

And if you conceive it indeed, you can achieve it, that sounds really corny, really, really corny, but if you can see it in your mind's eye, if you can see it in your mind's eye, there are things that I've seen in my mind's eye where my circumstances have said no, never, but I've seen them and therefore I think they can be, they absolutely can be And they will be um I will share one thing I've always always loved and wanted to live in a beach house, like literally me ocean, like everyday ocean and um nothing I've done or I've achieved so far has necessarily very obviously um pointed me in that direction, whether financially or even just geographically or anything like that, but for me, I'm like, I keep seeing this thing, I keep seeing myself living and waking up every day and it's not a holiday, I'm not on holiday, I'm not on a two day, no, I live here and open my, my windows are opened, my curtains and it's just me in the ocean and I see that and I'm I'm like yeah, that will be, yeah, it will be, it will be, that's fantastic.

Yeah, You know, and I want to say thank you, this has been an amazing 45 minutes, an hour of conversation, super grateful you were here guys listening, my name is Stephan tearing er I'm your host here at raw rants, connect with me on social media, on instagram on linkedin on facebook twitter wherever you get your social media fix and also please follow us on all the major platforms wherever you get your podcast fix. And the one thing I will tell you as well, go google Yolanda's podcast as well because there's a lot of good stuff she does. That's the one thing we didn't talk about is your podcast. Yeah. Matisse that there is a podcast now, they got to connect with you and the podcast name is, it's the right stuff and actually on the podcast where I talk a lot indeed about the failures and the ways. So yeah, we're going to know what this girl is about.

Yeah, the podcast is b that's it, so go check her podcast out and she's on all the major platforms as well. And actually, you know, I got to tell you all this the reason why we have a really decent audio quality here on our podcast at references because of Yolanda because she turned me onto the platform that we're recording on, which is absolutely awesome, even though today it made us a couple of little problems and challenges, but we also will succumb that here today with Yolanda to Betsy mocha Ducey and I just got the air pump that I got it fairly right this time, Yolanda immensely grateful. This Was more than 45 minutes of filmmaking and just talking about life with friends. Thank you so much. All immensely grateful. You were all here, Stefan and Yolanda out.

Yolanda Mogatusi - Film Maker, Entrepreneur, Agent of Life
Yolanda Mogatusi - Film Maker, Entrepreneur, Agent of Life
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