This is episode 90 from Scarcity to Abundance. You're listening to the Rise up and Shine podcast with Claudine and Ashley as an empty nester and a mom with young kids. We have both shared very similar and very real struggles from chaos to coaches. We now help other women live an authentic and meaningful life. So tune in weekly for girl talk and tips on how you too can rise up and let your light shine bright. This is the rise up and shine podcast. Welcome back everybody. Today we're talking about a topic that Ashley and I have both had to work through and growth through. So let me ask you, have you ever thought there's not enough time? There's not enough money. I don't have enough sleep. I don't have enough love if you have thought those things perhaps you have struggled with a scarcity mindset and today Ashleigh and I are talking about the ways that we've struggled with it and the ways we've overcome because it's really hard to rise up and shine when you have a scarcity mindset, right?
Actually right? And really it's living from a place of lack, you know, there's not enough. That's exactly it, it's the belief that there will never be enough and as you mentioned it could be time, it could be love relationships, friendships, it could be money. Yes, I know we've had those conversations where we thought, oh there's only rich people in the world and there's not rich people in the world and you feel like there's only so much to go around when that's not in fact true. So this is such a great topic because it's so common we all in some form think scarcity thoughts and we try and strive very hard to live from a place of abundance. That's what we want, that's what jesus promised for us to have our life. Um you know live a life abundantly and so we know it's a possibility, it's how do we get there? What can we do? And so that's why we want to talk today about scarcity from going from scarcity mindset to an abundant mindset because it's possible and you will be able to rise up and shine and live your best life and enjoy your life, enjoy your life, imagine that have fun, there is plenty to go around.
I think for me I thought there was a finite amount like a pie. Like if if we have to keep dividing it then there's not gonna be enough and if I have too much then someone else will not have enough and other people have a lot. So therefore all that's left is the crumbs for me. So I think I had some very faulty thinking they were based on beliefs that weren't true just that there's a finite amount of things but there is abundance out there, there is abundance and it is ours for the asking and for the taking, but we have to work on our mindset first I was thinking how you were explaining about the pie, right? We think of it as there's a pie and there's only so many slices to go around. I was thinking, gosh, that's a great analogy for when I was pregnant with my second child, I was having a conversation with my mom. How can I possibly love this child as much as I love my first child. I literally was thinking it was gonna I was gonna have to take some of my love from my daughter so I can give love to my son.
And my mom was like it's not it's not a bank, it's not a bank where you make a withdrawal and deposit. It's nothing like that. It's just you love that child just as much as your other Children. Just as much as your first. There's just an infinite amount of love to give and that was really helpful because that made me really worried. But it was very true. I had such a scarcity mindset on how can I love to Children equally. Yeah. How is that possible? Do I have enough love in my heart and magically we do. And you who have four Children, I did it. I love them all the same. There was plenty to go around. Yeah. And now I have grandchildren and there's plenty more loved. It grows. It's kind of like a fruit tree. It doesn't just produce one apple. You have lots of apples, right for me, my struggle for years was with money. You know I had a scarcity mindset. I felt like there was only so much to go around and I just didn't get on that lucky. Well you know, I just didn't get it, I got the leftovers or I got a little bit and a lot of it was just tied into some really unhealthy untrue beliefs that I had that I had to work through.
And so I've really worked on that I've challenged myself. I've changed my mindset, I've really, I've dug deep even to the scriptures to see what does God say about abundance because he doesn't want us to go around in a scarcity mindset like you mentioned earlier, jesus said I've come so they may have life to the full not so you could have a social life and just get the crumbs right. And then there's parts of me that that well if I want money, if I desire money then I'm greedy or selfish and sinful and there's nothing wrong with that. We actually do need to pay our bills and be responsible and we need to be good stewards of what God has given us, whether it's a little or a lot, there's nothing wrong with the amount either direction, but my mindset was there's not enough for me like there's enough for everybody else, but there's not enough for me and I've really worked on that and then last week my husband, he started talking about, well you know I may pursue some different options down the road and that might affect my income and I'm like, well, we just got debt free. We just bought a new house. I'm like, uh, you know, and he's like, I'm sensing that scarcity mindset popping back up.
I'm like, no, no scarcity, scarcity go away, scarcity go away. But you know, he could tell because he knows me so well that my thinking because it had been my processing, but that had been my default thinking for so long that even though I've worked and I've created new neural pathways and those are becoming my default neural pathways. I still, it can creep up there. Like there's not enough, there's not enough. That's fine. Yeah. Another one for me too, I'll briefly share one is even in friendships, you know, certain friends that I already have existing relationships with, but if I see them on instagram or facebook and I see, oh, there hanging out with this person, oh, now they're hanging out with this person. Oh, and now they're hanging out with this person and I'll think, I guess I have enough friends I guess maybe there's no room for me, You know, and it's like the scarcity mindset even in that and it can make me feel lonely, but a lot of it is just a story I'm building in my own head.
That is what scarcity is. It's a belief, it's not a fact. It's a belief that there is not enough. And the other one that really is the one that could trigger me the most I guess how I could say it is time. I mean we always, there's not enough time in the day. Well if I keep saying I wish there was more time, I wish there was more time or there's not enough time, there's not, I keep reciting those things to myself and when we do that, then we're living in that place, we're living rushed or stressed or hurried or um anxious. And I've had to find certain times of my day where I and I had to pay attention to where I felt the anxiety the most um big and I had to really pay attention to what the story was in my head, oh my gosh, we're going to run out of time, we're going to be late and a lot of it is getting the school, the kids back to school, yeah the kids are back to, so in the mornings, the mornings were very stressful because my Children like to talk and talk and talk and I have a very hard time focusing but I will, I'll catch myself, oh my gosh, we're gonna be late, oh my gosh, you know there's so much to do and I will stop and I will rephrase it and I'll say there's plenty of time, there is plenty of time and I actually say it if you notice even my tone of voice slowed and so it helps my body slow and just take a breath calm.
There's plenty of time, you know there's plenty of time and just focus on that not a future fear, you know we're going to be late, we might not think of a better case scenario. That's a good one is a big one. I don't think there's any mothers out there that have not struggled with feeling like there's not not enough time, right too much to do so little time. Yes, exactly. I mean that was a big 12 for me when my kids were younger now of course it's just my husband and I we don't have small Children or any Children living with us and work from home. So there is actually a lot of time, a lot of time now what we do with it, but that's a whole nother story. So you know the interesting thing with mindset, the scarcity mindset is that it develops this mental crisis where there is no true crisis to be found right? Like you were sharing. Like I'm not gonna have enough friends, I don't have enough time and for me I don't have enough money or sleep. Used to be a big one for me. Um If I don't get enough sleep then I can't function in for a long time for years, I just wasn't sleeping enough enough that I thought and actually even last night it was funny because I told you this earlier, I only slept four hours, but I've changed my mindset and I like my body decided that four hours was enough for last night I'm going to be okay.
And if at 2:00 today I have to take a nap that's okay. So now it's easier to think that when you don't have small Children, you have to take care of a little different from my daughter with her two little ones. But I got enough sleep. That's the way I look at, I got enough sleep for last night. Apparently that's all my body needed. I would have liked eight. Yeah, I got four. You make peace with it, you know, Yeah, Peace with it. And that's a big scarcity is a lot. I mean really it's the situations we can't always control, right? We can't always control our circumstances. So, but we can alleviate some of the stress that we put on us. So I could, you know, make my to do list for the day super long. That's really unrealistic. But for some reason in my head, I will believe that I have to get everything done today. And so then it just causes so much more stress on on me. And even in my body, I want to talk about that a little bit, The stress that we feel that pumps through your veins, that that gets pushed.
The court is all the adrenaline, all that stress that you feel when you're rushing to get the kids to school or we've got to figure out dinner or oh, I have so much to do and so little time that we're adding more toxic stress into our body that's not healthy and it's not helpful. And so one thing that I've had to learn is that just really think about my overall health and so partially not to shame you, right? We don't want to feel shame. That adds more stress on to us as well, but just recognize, okay, I do this at this time of the day, it seems to be a little bit more stressful. What can I do differently to set me up for success. I even had that conversation with my son today. He kept saying, oh, we're gonna be late guys, we're gonna be late guys, right? And he says, mom, I feel like you're blaming us and I'm like, wow, I'm not trying to blame you. I'm sorry if you feel that maybe I can rephrase that. Like maybe I can say it differently instead of oh my gosh, you guys, it took forever for you to get up this morning or you were moving slower, You know?
Come on you, you you yeah, okay, take responsibility, mom. Yeah. So I said, you know, I apologize, let's figure out something we can do next time. I will rephrase it in a much better way. That's more helpful and not so hurtful, but also help set you up for success. So let's problem solve, okay, this is what's happening, what can we do differently? So that way we're not rushing next morning. And you know, that's a good example to model for the kids, granted it didn't start off so great for me because I was coming down hard on the kids, come on, guys were you know, it's monday and I don't want to send the kids off that way. But you know, just okay, what can we do differently? That's it just certain things we're not gonna be able control but we can control how we plan accordingly. So, and those are some of the problems with the scarcity mindset, like one of them is that it is closely related to fear and like you mentioned earlier can create anxiety and when we have that scarcity mindset it does release these negative emotional Euro transmitters and feelings like envy and comparison.
We've talked about that before. Fear, anxiety and depression. So we don't feel as well right? Physically, mentally emotionally we don't feel as well when we're having all those emotions triggered by those thoughts, there's not enough. There's not enough. There's not enough. The second thing is that when we have a scarcity mindset, it affects our thinking process, right? And it becomes very difficult to make long term decisions. We make these need based decisions just to get immediate relief. So we try we we do things that may not benefit us in the long run and we do these quick, almost instant gratification type of decisions. Our brains just don't function as well because it requires more mental energy to make those bigger decisions. But we're just like there's not enough, there's not enough. I know when I struggled with there's not enough money. A lot of my decisions were based on that there's not enough money. So okay, I can't buy that. So you know, it's like you buy these cheap hands. This is something we did for years. We would buy these really cheap frying pans. Well, they wouldn't last.
You know, they don't last. So then you're buying again, you're buying more cheap pans because you just bought the cheap hands before and now you're doubling up, right? But there's not enough money so I can't buy the good pans. It was this catch 22 is a vicious that is a vicious cycle. And so in the end, you know, we ended up probably spending spending. Yeah. And I love that one of my Children, one of my younger ones, they have this great mindset where they're like, no, I'm buying quality from the get go because it'll last. And I thought, well she doesn't struggle with a scarcity mindset. That's awesome. I'm glad I didn't pass that on tour my beliefs and my scarcity mindset. But it is you don't make those decisions for the long term benefit. It's kind of short term like I've gotta conserve because there's not enough and then I'm going to be broke and then I'm going to be homeless and then I'm going to die, right? I mean, that's how our primitive brain works. It's not logical, it's not coming from your higher wise yourself, my friend, coming from an emotional state, you know, an emotional place of fear, fear what you're saying.
So when we're, we're stuck there in this fear mindset, then, you know, our lovely word via Magdala, a little part in our brain that loves to hijack and be okay, we gotta conserve, we need to be safe, we need to, you know, do do we need to do all these things and um it are thinking brain just shuts down temporarily because then it's like, oh, we gotta survive all survival. And like what you said earlier, it's because there's a perceived crisis. Well is it really a crisis? You know, it's not, it's not a big safety issue anymore. You know, we don't have to worry about certain things like that, thank goodness because most of the things that were, you know, we have the scarcity mindset on, it's not, it's not a danger, it's not a true threat, not a crisis. It's just a fear and we can tend to, when we live in that place of fear, we will create that well, if we keep focused on that, we will, that's going to be our experience, so if we don't want to experience scarcity and fear, then we need to shift that perspective, you know, and thinking more abundantly and for myself with time I had to, I had to say, okay, like I mentioned earlier instead of we're going to be late.
There's not enough time. There's plenty of time, There's plenty of time because then my brain kind of hurt. Okay. And then my thinking brain starts talking along saying it's working, it's okay, let's do this. Let's focus on one thing at a time. Let's you know, and then you can actually plan and you can be strategic and you can be more productive because when we're in an emotional state we're not going to be productive. We're just going to be chaotic. You know, and I know for myself I freeze the fight flight freeze. I when I feel overwhelmed and there's too much to do, I freeze and then do nothing. Yeah. So that doesn't help. That doesn't give you any more time or more money or more sleep or more. I'm going to share the truth with you about time. Okay. You have and all of our friends have just as much time as Oprah and Beyonce in a day to powerful women that have built empires. So there is plenty of time, there's plenty of times planning and I know one thing I realized too.
So I've been a spy focusing a lot on self care, there's a program on self care that I'm building right now, uh, to share with these women and other moms, especially that self care is one of the things that tend to go out the window exercise, even being intentional and healthy cooking. So many things that we need are like we actually need our well being in our health, just go out the window. It's one of the first things and we think there's not enough time. I don't have enough time to take care of myself because there's too much to do and then what happens, what I've known for myself and other moms. I have talked to every one of us. We don't get to give at our full capacity. Right? You know, we were sluggish. We're not focused. We're tired, we're anxious, were depressed. We're not happy. We're unhappy and shining were burned out. Right? So if we just take a little bit of time to care for ourselves and be intentional, we can actually be more effective, more productive.
And it seems it seems counterintuitive. Oh, but I'm taking that time away. I'm taking that time away from spending it with my kids. They're going to feel neglected. Well, why do you think they're going to feel neglected? Well, did they, have they ever voiced that to you? Do you? You know, but you're functioning at your best and then you can have better quality time with your family. You feel more energized. So you're going to be able to get more things done. Yeah. It's quite amazing if we just take a little bit of time to care for ourselves to Yeah, that's a good side note there on self care, which we talk about quite a bit on this, on this show. Okay, so, so you know the world is all about increasing our scarcity mindset. It really is. When you look at tv or magazines, it showcases all the things we didn't know we needed. Right? Like, no, I didn't, I need that now. I need that now. Like, okay, so this is funny. I'm going to show this. We just bought a new house where all of you have been listening know that saga.
So my husband said we need a new desk pan. So I've overcome my scarcity mindset and I bought, this is a little electric thing that I had seen at the hair salon and you sweep all your desk body. I did. I bought it and you say, congratulations. We're talking about that for months with me and I bought it and now it has to use it in so you sleep all your desk to it and it just sucks it up. So because we have a lot of solid surface floors and so I don't want to lug about Anyway, this seemed a lot easier to me. So my husband said there's a dust pan and I said, I got this new electronic one when he was like, why in the world would you buy that? I'm like, well just use it first and he loved it. But anyway, it was just kind of funny because you know, I had seen it and all of a sudden I needed it. I needed this dust pan, this electronic, You know, suck it up little box thingy where I could have gotten a dust pan probably for $0.99. But anyway, the world showed me that I needed this very expensive little gadget and so I got it and so there's nothing wrong with getting it.
But every day we're faced with hundreds of things that we never knew we needed and I only made that one decision. I haven't bought hundreds of things, just that one little gadget and then of course there's social media, which is comparison envy, oh my goodness, we can see what everyone's doing while they get to do this and they have this and I don't have that. And for me as travel, Yeah, it's travel for you. Um I don't even know what it's for me right now, I can't think straight. But even now we're so happy in our new house, we both are and were like, I think we're gonna be here long term, which is a lot having to say because we've moved 20 times in 33 years. So saying that we see being here is really big for both of us, but even the other day I was like, but I really wanted to acres and I only got a third of an acre, you know, there was that little bit of lack in me and then I'm like, no, I really don't want that. I'm very happy here and I had to just talk to myself and that's not what you really want. Your really happy here. You've just been telling everybody you're really happy here. You have everything you need.
And then this morning my husband said, do you need anything? And I was about to say $1 million $1 million dollars and I looked into my set actually, I don't need a thing. I have everything I need and almost everything I want and he looked at me and just smile because because I've really worked on this scarcity mindset and I really have worked on, no, I have everything I need. I have everything I need. We're always going to want other things. I'm going to always want more time with my Children and my grandchildren. I'm going to want that, especially now that we live far away. But you know what, I have everything I need. There is plenty. There's plenty. Yeah. Well, you know, I think there's a sense of, we feel will be complete, We accomplish this or if we have this and especially with social media comparing to everything else everybody else's life and you know, really the facade they put on, I don't know about you, but I only post nice photos of my highlight highlight. All right, just like 10% where the 90s it is, you know, it's really true because I, I know for myself, I feel like just a lack of contentment, um, lack of gratitude and a lack of feeling whole and complete because gosh, there's so much to do.
There's so much I want to do in life and I'm, you know, gosh, I'm going to miss out or you know, fomo fear of missing out on something, whatever that may be for you if we really just stop and we recognize, gosh, I'm kind of living a little too much in the future where I feel like I need these things to feel whole or complete or happy, right? You know, just be, just be, just spend more time being, being grateful, being routed where you are at this place in time, even in your stage of life because I've been wrestling with that a lot, especially with having the kids home for the last year and a half and finally them going back to school, I felt like, gosh, I'm a whole new person. I'm a whole different person. And what happened was because I stepped out of that mom role for a few hours while they're at school and I can put on my other hats, you know, help take care of the house, just be me or exercise or have coffee with a friend or be more of me. And I realized that I was always thinking, yeah, I was struggling with those thoughts again, the scarcity, thoughts that, gosh, I'm never going to be able to launch this business or this self care course because there's always something that keeps popping up and you know, I sent my kids to school very first day of school and I picked up my child and he was sick.
So if you stayed home for a whole other week, first week of school, I thought, no, I, no, no, I waited for this for so long. I know when you told me I just was crushed for you, I was like, you know, after all this time, it's like when you were supposed to get your keys for your house kept delaying and delaying your mind is like, gosh, I had it in mind for right now. Yeah. And that was challenging. But what I realized I wasn't doing, I wasn't just being present in this stage and being my best at this stage. I was living for the next stage, Gosh, when they go back then I'll be able to do this. Then then I'll have time. Yes. Then I'll have time that I could be productive, then I can get these things done that I've been wanting to get done right and really it was just, I wasn't being grateful and just being, it was so stuck in the doing and living too much in the future and not in a good way. I mean it's great to have goals obviously in dreams but um and plan ahead for future things but not to the point where it's causing you to suffer in your president, your present life.
Yes, well you've jumped right into practical so let's let's round up the practical. So gratitude. You mentioned gratitude. Um you know when you start looking at everything you do have instead of focusing on everything you don't have, there's power in that and that will shift you from scarcity tune abundance to a full life because you know when we focus on all that we do have then we release different neurotransmitters in our bodies that help us feel happy and grateful and peaceful and all the things we want to feel, but when we focus on what we don't have, we feel fearful and stressed and depressed and anxious, all the things we don't want to feel long term or get stuck in. I know for me when I was a young Christian of about 25 years old, I was mentored by an older woman and one day she looked at me and she goes you're a half glass empty kind of gal and that was not a compliment. She was trying to help me see that I was always focusing on what I didn't have what was missing in my glass and really worked with me to help me even then even decades ago people were helping me with that that I was focused on what I didn't have.
So this is a huge one to really shift to really be able to grow in having abundance. Mindset is really focused on what you do have make a list. My husband is a big proponent of this gratitude list of 100 things. Like if you're feeling down, if you're feeling discouraged, if you're feeling like you're battling scarcity, write down 100 things, I mean right now there's so many things to be grateful for, even though our world is in turmoil. I mean you and I are living their spires again this summer. I feel like this is a recurring theme and are lives, but there's more fires. So we're in smoke every day. Um but you know, we can think, but it's not near me today. You know, there's so many things to be grateful for the other day. I walked out with so smoky, I was like, oh the smoke, you know, I was just like, I can't even go outside and then I thought, but my home is nowhere near like, like I'm near the smoke but I'm not near the fires. Had to focus on the good. I have two eyes, I have two ears, I have a mouth, I have two arms to that. I mean we forget we take for granted And um I shared publicly a few weeks so I have hangers now, that's a big deal for me.
Like if you don't have hangers for four months. Hangers is a really big deal. I'm really grateful for my hangers. Really grateful for my kitchen. Really grateful for my bed which was in storage for 15 months, my own mattress. So we can easily make a list of 100 and see all the things we do have now. If any of you listening thought to yourself, Gosh, I don't even have time to sit down and write 100 things. Well there's a scarcity mindset, right? There is a scarcity thought because I have thought the same thing as you have encouraged us or your husband has encouraged. Oh right. 100 things you're grateful for, for your spouse who has time for that? That well, you can make time. There's always time. Right? So you know, you could always be driving to the grocery store and hit your voice memo and speak it. You can do it as you're doing things or even if you're folding laundry. Yeah, I am grateful that we have clothes. You know, putting unloading the dishwasher. I am grateful that we have dishes. We have a kitchen that we have a dishwasher.
Clearly we're both grateful for that one. Yes. So another one is just recognizing that it is a default pattern in our mind and our thinking and everything that changes in our life starts with a new thought. New beliefs. So recognize your default patterns. Is that what you go to? Oh, there's not enough time. Oh, there's not enough money. Oh, there's not enough love enough friendship, enough sleep, recognize your patterns, your default patterns because you can't change. Well, you're not aware of, right? Listen to yourself. Listen to yourself to what you're saying, listening to what you're thinking. Very important because that's the awareness and then you'll be able to break those patterns, which is, you know, oh, I keep thinking this and this is is recurring and it tends to be at this time of the day. Okay, well let's let's try something different, you know, which goes with my last practical for me, which is think of the possibilities like we think that money can only come in a certain limited way or time is finite, which to a certain degree it is. But 24 hours actually, a lot of time if we use it properly and that's a whole another and sleepless.
Yeah. No, you can still believe that you can do a lot. You can do a lot in, you know, it's learning to delegate to learning as your Children get older to involve them in the house work. I mean, I figured that out fairly quickly. Like, okay, I got four of these people. I mean, I remember telling my husband, you know, the bible says here that the wife and noble character had servant girls. He's got, he's like, you have four kids. Here's your servant, there's your servant girls and boys. I was like, oh, okay. I was trying to work kid. I was trying to make a case for a housekeeper. But anyway, so think of the possibilities things can happen differently. Like our time. Like you were saying it can be done, do something different. That's what I'm trying to do something different. Think of the possibilities. Things can be done differently. You can make quote unquote time by delegating maybe some of your other responsibilities or charge or trading time with childcare with another mom. I'll watch your kids for three hours if you watch mine for three hours and essence, you're creating time their time for yourself that you didn't have last week or even date nights.
How many of us have said, Gosh, we don't have any time for a date. Yeah, we've never said that. Well, that's good. That's been a priority again. Well, it's a priority. I'd like to say it was four Children. That's why I was going to say, I was gonna say, I'd like to say it was all selfless and it was all about love. It was more like I got to get out of here tonight or I'm going to die. Like I need you to take me out of this house. Oh yeah. So I see it differently. I don't see I don't have time. I'm like, I'm going to die if I don't get out of this house, can you take me out the day our daughter turned 12? I think the next day, I don't think on her birthday we did it for the next day. We're like, okay, see you were going on a date, I love you, bye, love you, bye. I mean she turned 12, we were at the door, okay, you're in charge of the kids, You love, you see girls, servant girls, So that is my last practical. Do you have any others to share Ashley? No, nothing that we haven't talked about already, but I'll just recap just shifting your perspective right from there is not enough to there's plenty and then also I have to I have to make dinner, Oh, I have to do this, I have to do that.
I get to I get to do the laundry, I get to and it just, sometimes I'll be honest, you're going to have to feel like you fake it right? And I have to fake it for a while because you might not really be feeling that at the moment, but reciting that over and over. I get to make dinner for my family. I get to a load a dishwasher. Yeah, because there are so many people who don't who don't have those luxuries, you know those things in life and so just reminding yourself it will soften your heart and you will, you know, like we said, it will build those new neural pathways and then your brain will start focusing on more things that you are grateful for and seeing things like you know, and feeling your heart will catch up. I actually feel grateful now I had to kind of trick my brain too, be grateful, but now my heart caught up, I'm feeling it and then again just spending less time doing and more time being. We all know the story of mary and Martha, right? Martha was in the kitchen busy, had lots to do, not a bad thing, but she was so focused on there's not enough time we have guests over, we got to do this and this and this and this and jesus, you need to talk to my sister to help me and and mary chose what was right, right, She chose what was right, She was taking the time to just be in jesus presence and be there and be with him.
And sometimes we need to remember to do that because that again, that's part of the self care. We tend not to, that's one of the things that goes out the window so easily for us. Absolutely. Well, I'm going to wrap things up, I read this in Philippians four and actually it's in the message version and I love this and I thought it was so appropriate for today as a source of encouragement. but it says you can be sure that God will take care of everything, you need his generosity exceeding even yours and I love that because there is more than enough for each one of us to live life to the full here on earth and to rise up and shine until next time. All right, everyone, thank you for joining in on our conversation today here on the Rise Up and Shine podcast. If you haven't already, please take a second to hit that subscribe button. So you never miss an episode. And while you're at it share this episode with a friend who you know, it can bless today if you want to visit us as well on our websites, you can catch Claudine over at clotting Sweeney dot com and Ashley at Mind over chaos dot com are links are in the description.
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