Um the rest of the com guides that are coming up are going to be calm guides on boarding that will be available in august and then in september, I'm going to do a calm guide for integrating technology with your mighty networks. So some people are confused about how many things there are in the world to like automate and all that good stuff. So we're going to talk about that in the calm guide to um tech and integration. So lots of exciting things coming up. Um so excited to share that with you brand new and it's community built to just for your, you to know and listeners to know that everything that I'm doing is like the community is really all about how to help community elders and it's exciting. So I'm excited today. Let me find my little note here. I lost my place in my little notes. Um here you go, I'm happy to introduce today's guest to gorilla gardenia, a nature inspired mentor leadership coach and host of the naturally conscious community, a muddy network exploring re connection with plants and your wealth and happiness or sorry health and happiness, health, wealth and happiness.

There you go. She uses her expertise to empower creatives, healers and entrepreneurs who love nature to take action with confidence to become the conscious leaders of their lives. She is an influential speaker and teacher running courses on re connection with the plant kingdom to consciously discover the elements of life that nourished you to flourish. So welcome to the Fine, come here podcast. Thank you to gorilla gorilla. You got it. You got it also tell me where you're from first of all. So I am from the US. Originally I'm Cuban american and I live in a very unique place, I call it Hogwarts for adults, it's one of the largest spiritual eco communities in the world and it's called Dominator and we're located in Northern Italy Northern Italy, That sounds pretty amazing. That sounds very exciting. Italy sounds like an amazing place to be.

Um and plants, I'm sure there's amazing unique plants over in that region. Um, so that's exciting. Tell me a little bit more about how you got into this concept of maybe bringing people together in a community around these philosophies or, or beliefs. Yeah, well, I mean, as I said, I live in a community. So um I live in a spiritual eco community where we live in shared houses as well as around people. And so I've always been attracted to community building and I did a lot of community building in um online, I was digital media strategist for awhile, just really trying to understand how do we help people and create spaces. I used to actually, even, I have a very weird background, so you'll hear me sort of make references to it. I've worked for High tech, I worked at Microsoft and real Networks and I also used to produce large dance parties, but always there's been a common theme which is around communicating and around the idea of a safe space because I feel like in order for you to really transform, you need to feel like you have a space in which you're not only just surrounded by people, but where you feel safe in that space to allow yourself to, to kind of let those barriers kind of come down.

And so I had created a lot of that on social media. I was on the very early days of like Tribe and Myspace and Friendster. I mean, really going back in time and Tribe was the one that I loved the most, which is kind of an underground a community that allowed you to really create these spaces where people could share at a level that I never saw in any other kind of community. And so this was kind of a common thread. And over the last few years, as I've built up my own business and built up my own work as um I work on such a cutting edge sort of idea, this idea of plant intelligence, plant neurobiology, Plant consciousness. It's just now coming into a little bit the mainstream. And so finding places where we could have these discussions, I was I always find myself creating them. So I was creating them. You know, I created it on facebook and you know, my linkedin and all these other aspects. And at some point I realized that none of them were giving me the ability to create the entire ecosystem. I was creating little pieces of the ecosystem.

So, you know, a little a little part here and a little part there, but I wanted a place where not only could I create the ecosystem, I could create what I call what what are called eco tones and eco tones are those spaces in between ecosystems? They're the places where the lines Are blurry because you're moving from one into the other. And it's the area of maximum innovation and also of, of really maximum risk taking. And just the place where lots of different things can happen. But in order for you to have a really good ecotone for you to have a space where you feel like you can risk it and you can push yourself. You need to have a safe space to And if you're using something like facebook Yeah. You have a facebook page and you might have a facebook group and you might have your profile but they're not integrated in a way that allows you to have those places where I go, wow and I step into it and I'm really there and then retreat back into a little bit of a, of a safer site space. So I I started to look for a platform that allowed me to do that.

That allowed me to do some paid stuff. Some free stuff that allowed me to do things that were really safe and things that were really innovative and that was giving me the flexibility to create what was best for my environment. Mm hmm That's really amazing. I love that description and that's interesting the way you're describing all these different, intricate spaces and how people interact and connect around them. So you decided to do the money network as your platform. And then when was it that you actually opened your community? How long ago was that? I opened my community around december of 2020. Mm hmm. So not too long ago. Pretty new. How how did the process go with your launch? Was it something like when you opened the community up? Did you have certain expectations and Yeah, exactly. Well being somebody who had been, like I said on on facebook and other things, I didn't have super high expectations that I would like move hundreds of people over because even on your own facebook page you might look like you have like I have thousands of people on my facebook page but that's not really who's reading every single day, we know that the algorithms are like that.

So for me it's been a really amazing process of getting to know my audience even deeper and really connecting with them at a new level. So I um I originally created the mighty Network. What kind of finally gave me the push to move my mighty Network over was the idea of creating my um my my course because I have a course that I was hosting kind of partially on facebook and I wanted to move it off of facebook and I had the opportunity to finally turn it into this kind of evergreen project and it's a really in depth course. So it took me a long time to get all these pieces done and then I I said okay I'm gonna have a free network because I want the network to be open and just for this to be that that place of exchange and of sort of creating that safe space. And I knew that I wanted the course to be paid and then um I wanted a membership that was more that super cutting edge. Right? So we had the the sort of super safe space, that was the course that even though it is innovative but it is kind of a lecture material and its material of exploration and it's kind of like you're in the safe space with these people who are all like minded and then this ecotone that we were creating around the idea of like maximum innovation, pushing yourself into your own personal leadership space and things like that.

So I um I knew that these were kind of the pieces that I wanted to have at the very beginning and and then I started so I just prepared the overall network and the course and those were sort of the way that I was starting to move people over was really moving people into the course space and then from there they would kind of join the group um that they would join the overall network. And then then that's when I started to say, okay well what are the tools that I've been using to connect to people today And how do I then migrate those tools to go over to the mighty Network. So for example, I have a quiz that helps you identify your spirit wild plant. And so this quiz um connects into different aspects of things that I have on mighty networks. So that allows me to, to move people into my network through that space. So first I was trying to move people over from facebook and I did, you know, announce it. And I went through kind of an entire little launch process and then I went through an email launch process And then I revamped all of my quiz so that all of the quiz was pointing toward things that were happening on my network.

So it's been a really interesting transition to. So it hasn't been this giant launch of like, oh I've got hundreds of thousands of people. I mean I think my network right now, is that about 400 people? But of those 400 people looking at like the conversations that are happening, big chunks of them are really active. Which was what I wanted. I wanted more that safe space and more of those places where people were super active rather than trying to worry about large, super large numbers. Mm hmm That's a that's a great strategy. I it's interesting. I love how you said you're doing things and it sounded like anyway, you did things in stages and it wasn't like you're trying to do all this at once, which is a really great um structure structure for yourself, because then it's not you're not driving yourself crazy trying to, you know, move people from facebook and do the email sequencing or whatever. Um so I feel like that was a good move on your part that probably brought you a little bit of calm. Right? It did. And I and I also have a fair amount of automation built in. So that's the other piece that I've been trying that I've been building up even more like looking at those places where I can automate things so that I ensure that my that I can I can use my time dedicated to the conversations that are happening because the worst thing that happens is somebody who finally gets the courage up to post whether that's in a comment or an actual opposed and then, you know, doesn't have that support that happens because then they probably won't post again, so really engaging with people being very active.

And then so yeah, I did it in stages. I went, you know, and it wasn't even starting really with the network, I started really with the course because again, I knew that that would give me an instant population to a certain extent. And then from the course that creates the network and then from the network to the membership, which is more a subset of the people who work with me directly, so that again, it was an easier transition to get there. And and then once those things were in place, then what's the automation around it that I can use to make sure that there's this seamless, seamless movement or that I can easily identify people and a few different things like that. So and then now I've added a few more things to it. So every, you know, as as things stabilize and they grow and they start to create their own, they start to take life like they start to take route, then I might add something new. Always looking at what's the best for the overall network because it can be confusing at times you're kind of like you're dumped into this in your network.

You don't really know the interface very well. There's kind of like, wait a minute, There's these things called courses of these things called groups. Where am I where am I actually posting? So it can be very confusing. So, I did have to create like I had to think about, okay, what were the featured articles? What were the those like first posts that the people we will see that help them better understand. So, I created like a little loom video that walked them through certain aspects of it so that they could see where things are. But you know, some people are on on mobiles and people are on desktop. There's just a lot of little factors. So I tend to be one that's, that's thinks about those details to just ensure that people feel as comfortable as possible. Mm hmm. Yeah, there's um, definitely different ways of learning styles to and how people digest and understand information. Some people want to watch a video. Other people are like, I don't want to watch a video. I want to see a diagram or have, you know, a manual or something like that. Um, so I think we are, we were just talking about that in the community call the other day.

And so did you have an onboarding process that you kind of established when, um, you know, when you first brought and I love that you brought just the course people in first because I always recommend a small group, a small cohort, whether it's a course or just a small cohort that's meeting, um, that might be already meeting and you're just moving that group into this space. Or if it's a new group getting together just to get a small group to establish habits of like coming into the network, getting feedback from them basically running it as a beta, um, groups so that you can no, um, like all the missing, maybe there's something missing that, that they'll tell you. Um, and it's helpful to do that with like a smaller group versus a group of, you know, if you're trying to invite a big chunk of people and all at the same time. So I think that's great, Did you have an onboarding process for the people in the course? Like a specific posts, or? Yeah, I have a few, like, for example, the course had a very specific sort of post. So at the very beginning of the post, kind of, taking from the mighty Network model, the template that they provide and then expanding from there to what I thought would be my particular audience, like, what is it that they needed, what were they looking for in those types of things?

So that was kind of the first piece for the course, and then knowing that there is this sort of confusion between the post, between the course and the main network, because if you're in the course and those are the main people that are there, it's easy to say, well, what's the difference between the network and the course? Like, when should I post in one? When should, and it still happens today. I mean, that's definitely one of the questions that that I get every once in a while. And so that was where I started to look at, okay, now that I'm in the main network, I know that the course people are okay, in other words, they're within their they're not gonna they're they're I finally have them that they're comfortable in that space and they have all of what they need, and just thinking about whether again, in my course, like, is the syllabus first, there's the activity feed first. Like I really went through every single one of the preferences and asked myself, okay, what would make it easier for my audience to navigate based on that, what is the wording that I use and those types of things. And I really appreciate that about money network, that gives you the opportunity to update and to personalize those words so that your audience can sort of follow the the normal train of thought or the vocabulary that your your group has.

And then I went into the main network, so kind of going backwards from what most people would think, but it works, it works better that way. And then looked at the main and said, okay, so now I'm in the course, but now I do want people to interact in the main because that's where in the main network, because that's where other people are eventually going to come in. What do these other people need? Who will not understand if somebody from the post from somebody from the course posts in here and talks about something from the course. So that's when I created like, a featured article that they see, like where in the one of the first articles that they see and then also the little like, loom video, like a little video where I walk them through some of the details and then the same thing, I think the most confusing space has been the group, my membership group because the membership group has a series of um, topics that are actually I call them vaults because they're like activities that are connected to those. And I've had to find, I mean, I've had to find a way to use what exists today to make that work.

And that's the place where the group, because the group sees each other more often because it is a membership. And so we have meetings more often, they tend to be more active like conversation ists. And um, that becomes even confusing even to me, like, should I post that in the group? Or should I post that in the main network? Like where should I do that? So there, I created a different video that was kind of more tailored to, okay, we're talking about these activities or we're talking about these types of things that are in the vaults posted here. You know, look there. And instead, if you want to have a conversation, that's, you know, kind of taking a step back or we've discussed something and now you want to test it with the wider audience, right? Because that's the whole point of the group, is that it's an ecotone. So if you're, if we're brainstorming something for your business or for your personal like development and now you want to test it with the wider group, then we're going to talk about it in here. But then you're going to post about it in there. So these types of navigations are still been things that I constantly think about and that I am, you know, trying to capture through videos or through posts or through things that that that people can better understand.

Yeah, interesting where you said about um customizing the user for the user experience because you know, the people that are coming in, you know, there um maybe challenges or why they're joining um you've either probably talked to some of these people who had communication in some regard with them to know a little bit about them. You said to be able to a use the terminology that that is common in your space and says one of the things I'm learning is to recommend it a term like key terms section or you're either you're welcome or that our purpose post or somewhere else that says um you know, just in case you don't know what this means, like here's what it means, like, you know, just because not everybody has the same understanding or experience that you have and so maybe I come in and I'm like interested in the topic of your community and I really want to learn more, but there's certain terminology that you might speak that I don't know. So I feel like that's really helpful and I like that you're talking about um even just the the description and directions.

I'm curious how you decided. I always have a question about the activity feed defaulting or the course feed defaulting. What made you Decances one or the other? Yeah, in this particular case I defaulted to the, to the course feed, which was not an easy decision because we had the network. So when um had we not had the network since the idea of community is so important for me. In other words, most of my courses programs, all of my programs have community elements to them. And when, I mean, community is not just like you come in and you take the course by yourself, but that I encourage you to post certain things so that you get feedback from the community because again, living in community, you learn that you learn faster. I mean even in nature in general, co evolution is the fastest way to evolve. So I had this long debate with myself of like do I post with you and start with the activity feed? Or do I start with the syllabus and I started, I decided to start with the syllabus only because I knew that when they came to the overall network they would see conversation like we would be having conversations and the topics are similar enough that um that I knew that they would like, okay, you have a place where you're feeling encouraged to converse and to talk about what you're learning and your experiences and just in general, things like that.

And then um so when you go into and you click into the course, I wanted it to be the first thing that they saw the materials that they're going to see specific to the course, um so that was kind of the decision process there. I do have another course instead that I inverted it, because in that particular case the activities are so small, like in the sense that the, the activities are really more about encouraging you to do things together, so I wanted the community space, like the, the idea of the activity feed to be the first thing, um so but yeah, it's, it's definitely a process to try to think, and I always give myself lots of permission to make mistakes, so I'm like, I can always go back in and change it, should it not work, or should I feel that people are getting, and I do have, I encourage people to uh to reach out to me on a regular basis to give me their feedback to post in the chat, like, I, I'm very transparent in that aspect and I, I tell them straight up and this is our community, so yeah, I, I manage it, and yeah, there's some overarching goals and and conversation topics that I'm proposing, but if, if we're all to become leaders, part of becoming a leader is, is feeling comfortable enough to speak to, to share what you are experiencing um and for me to be able to feel comfortable enough to take that feedback and to say, oh I hadn't thought about that or oh, you know what I totally like, I have had people who have said things like if you're colorblind, these color schemes don't work and it's like, oh my God, I never, you know, I never really thought about that or there's just feedback that comes when you open that up and and it gives me an opportunity to learn in the process.

Ah Yeah, because um they, you know, they will tell you, they will tell you and and just asking the community members, I've found so much inspiration by just asking um a couple of questions here and there and just saying, is this helpful? Um and you know, just asking them and then they're telling you they're saying, yeah, this is or maybe challenges around navigation like you're saying um I know it can get confusing for hosts to figure out like where to put, okay if I want to have a recurring membership, but I want my community to be free. Um but I want to have a course. And so there's so many complexities there. Did you um did it take you a long time to like figure that out or was there anything that helped you with that? It's still, it's still something that I'm figuring out, I'll give you an example, that's that's great. I have a master class that I do every month, in my um in my community, in the, in the, in the group.

That's what I was looking for and like, what's the word in, in one of my groups, which is my leadership group. I have a master class and a few months ago I decided to open that master class so that people in the group get it for free because they're part of the membership and then you can purchase above that, like you can purchase a one time so you can listen to that particular masterclass. So that begs the question of okay, well the way that, that my networks is set up today is that if I create an event and I tell it to that it's a zoom event, it generates the zoom room, which is fantastic. Only that that's inside of the group because I want you to be able to easily see the zoom room inside of the group. So if I want people who are in my in the general network to know that this event exists, if I create an event, I can't post the zoom room in it because I want it. You're you're paying, you have to pay if you're going to participate in it. So this means creating two events, which some people are gonna see too because they're in both things now that's already complex enough and confusing enough.

But add the fact that this month I decided because my the topic was so related to my course and I wanted to sort of create a kind of promotional bridge between my course, one of my courses and this group. I decided that I was going to gift all the people in the course, the, the actual, so now you have three events because you have one event that's for the people in the course Who are maybe 50% overlap with the people that are in the group and all overlap with the people that are in, you know, and they are all part of the overall networks. And I have three events of the exact same thing, one of which has an automatically generated zoom, one of which has a zoom that I've put in and another one of which does not have the zoom but has a link to purchase. So what happened was sure enough, somebody clicked on one of those, not the one I was expecting them to click on and didn't see the links. So they're like, well, I don't see the link anywhere. And they're like looking for the link because of course they were in the generic one, like the network one when they should have been one of the other two.

And these are the kinds of things that happen. And they're not easy because it's not like you can say, okay, if you're in all three, choose this one, it's going to show you all three because these are kind of corner cases. But I think they're going to become more popular corner cases as we have more overlap between certain types of things and certain kinds of networks. Hmm, so interesting. That is quite a conundrum. I actually just similar experience, not, Not three, but two. I was creating an event in my, I've decided to have an activity feed within these guides which are in the course section. I'm calling them guides in a resource section. Yeah. Um, I had some carol was Confused because she goes, well, I see two events for this introduction to the calm guide, uh, for launching your money network. And I said, well, I was thinking to put one in the course and then in the network because I know not everybody who's in the network is in the course. And so I wanted to make sure I'm in both spots. But then I realized, well right now I want to tell people because it's a new resource.

And so I'm really just telling the actual fine. Come here community members about this new resource. So I decided to stop doing any events in the course material and all the events that are going to happen inside the, the main network because I don't plan to have any events with these calm guides because as a member, it's like a right now it's a part of the community or, and I'm going to have it be a like a fee at some point later. Whereas if you join the fun, come here community, it's a paid network. But then, um, to get those other resources, that would be an additional um, expense that investment and then they would be able to see the videos and it's all kind of um already I and II did loom videos and I did very short loom videos because I, I knew that I was like, I'm not doing an hour video or something. So yeah. So I think those are all good, good tips to like, just, just even be aware of like these things might not happen because like you're saying, somebody just might not even think of it. They'd be like, oh, I never thought of it that way.

Yeah. And and even afterwards we had a series of kind of like journaling prompts that came up from the master class. And because again, where do I post them? So I posted an article on one and then I was like, okay, I posted an article in the course, but should I also post the article in the group even though everyone that's in the group is in the course, but not everyone that's in the course is in the group. But the, you know, it was like, okay, wait, where do I post this? And then the same thing happens when you're notifying people right? Do I notify people through the event? Do I notify people through the actual overall network? Like there's all these sort of trickiness is that, that still require a little bit of finessing because you have this overlap And it's one thing if you have like facebook overlap where you're in 1000 things and maybe yam into things by a similar person. But I mean do you feel very separate inside of a mining network? Right? Inside of my naturally conscious community, everything feels the same. So whether you're in reconnect with the plant kingdom or you're in the naturally conscious leadership group, I'm still under the overall um brother of the naturally conscious community.

You know that is putting together. So you're it's it's just requires some extra thought process of like where do I put things so that there's not too much redundancy. The most reason for the redundancy is not even for seeing it twice, but it's for the comments because they're generating discussions and I want the maximum number of people to get the discussion. So like for example, in this case I put the article inside of the course because I know that everybody in the group is in the course and then I put it inside of one of the vaults of the group as a like future thing. Something you can look at in the future. So, but you know, it just takes a minute for you to kind of get all these little tricky intricacies sort of down and and I think that this happens even more when you have like some paid products, some non paid products. So that people are kind of like looking at what unlocks and what doesn't unlock. Yeah, so true. Oh my goodness. So what's um what's anything that you could share with anybody? The biggest maybe tip that you've learned over, I guess it's now seven Months Since you've opened, eight months since you've opened your community?

Yeah, I would say probably some of the biggest tips. Let's see 11 is is the use of events. I mean your community is um an active community usually and they they events are a great opportunity to sort of gather people together, whether you're doing an online event or a chat event, like whether you're doing a call or whether you're doing a chat or something like that, it's the ability for you to have these moments where you don't, you feel like people are real because they're in front of you at that moment, even if it's just by a chat. So I think that was one aspect, I think the other aspect is that clear branding and really kind of giving it really thinking and taking the time for your your naming to make it clear to people what's happening and what's going through and that has been kind of changed a lot of aspects for me to make things in the names really clear and to have that, but more than anything it's about participation. Like the idea that you're going to create a community and just throw it up there and people are gonna come.

Ain't gonna happen. Like it's really about you giving and dedicating yourself time to, you know, to post, to interact with people, to think about what it is that you want to do, whether you're there to nourish or you're there to sell or you're there to teach or whatever and for a while play that role. Um, encouraging others to do it to. You know, like now after seven months is when I'm starting to get more and more people who are posting on their own, like who are not responding just the things that I'm doing, but who are posting because they finally feel like the community is theirs and that's encouraging them to share their gifts. And a lot of that is because they they've met each other a little bit in some of the events and that has given them the opportunity to feel much more connected. So, the beauty of, of having your own network is that intimacy that can be created. Um, if that's, you know, that's what you're looking for. But for somebody like me, that was like a big piece that I wanted that intimacy. Mm Yeah, I think it's so great to start with a small group of people, like I said in the beginning of just really honing in on how you can help them and then expanding on like what you learn with that small group of people when you're like, and that seems like what you're doing is like you're learning a little bit and then you're like okay, here's the next thing and I think that's a great way to be.

I feel like some people um community managed, you know, community builders feel like they have to have everything figured out or everything sorted or everything and I there's a lot of barriers, it seems like when it's like, well I'm not ready yet to open the doors, and so I feel like the biggest thing I tell clients is um you know, the only basic things that you need are are your foundational, like big purpose of why, why you're opening up this community, what you're, what they're gonna do inside and what the results are gonna be benefits and features for them, what they get to participate in, like once you know that then it's just a matter of creating a welcome post and maybe in our purpose post to tell people why we're here and then get them connecting and like a welcome event and sharing and saying hi, it's so nice to meet you and you get to um connect and then that really does spark. I know um other conversations like after the calls than than more people are interested in interacting once they really felt like they've connected with somebody in either a breakout room or just in a in a live call somewhere, so very cool.

Yeah, the only other thing I would add is also to put your energy and put some time and thinking into how you, how you find people, how you attract people to your network. Because that's the other piece that I think in speaking to other creators and other people who have spaces is like, oh I threw it up there and nobody's joining and it's like okay but through it up where like and and just really understanding that it is there is a struggle, there is an extra step then facebook where most people go all the time or linkedin where they visit all the time. This is a separate login. This is a separate like website or something that I have to go to a separate app that I have to open. So it's really important for, for you to think about what is it that I'm, how do I actually attract those people and then how to engage them when they're there? But how do I make sure that they even come in through the door like that they find the door that they see where the door is located. Mm hmm. Yeah. Sandra and are in our fun come here community talks about getting the right people in the room and the right people by just by meeting the people that are meant to and will most benefit from her.

You know, content. What she's gonna do in the muddy networks and getting those right mix of people in there from the very beginning. Um, is something an intentionality in and who not just throwing up Lincoln saying join my community, you know, on linkedin and facebook, but really thinking about well, and this is what I work on with the launch. The fine come here. Launch guide is right out. The people Name five people that you're going to invite. Who are those five people? Have you talked to those five people? Have you told them about this idea that you have? That sounds really fun and interesting. Is it fun and interesting or is it just something you're thinking about? Um, like it'll run itself, which it will think that they visiting you every day, Are they coming once a week is like, and and then building your content around that too. So there's like all these little little nuances to the idea that I'm, I'm bringing people into something different and so therefore different always means a little bit difficult from the perspective of the first time user.

So you have to put some extra thought and energy into that. Yeah. But if you have, if you have the, the, the ability to slow down and just be really intentional in this process of the community building, you're going to be able to have amazing connections in your network because the amazing people that you invite are like vibing with your tribe, going back to the tribe conversation. They're like, I'm not going to get this on facebook, There's nowhere else that these people are there in this space and that's why I'm going to stay because it's an awesome group of people in here. So once you have the recipe it will be successful. But it's a matter of that intentionality in the very beginning, which is, it's this great point. So thank you so much for sharing all this awesome information and your story. And I'm so excited about your community, tell uh the listeners more if they wanted to get to know you a little bit more where they can find out more about you and your space. Yeah, you can find me at my website which is www dot to grill a gardenia dot com.

And then my community is super easy because it's just community dot dot com. And that's where you'll find the naturally conscious community. And I'd love to have you come and check it out and experience some of the things that we're that we're doing in there. There's there's a little bit of everything for anybody who feels connected to nature who feels attracted to plants and who's wondering how can working with, you know, these natural elements helped me develop who I am and how do I become a little bit more conscious about how I appear and how I work in the world mm, wow, that's alright, I might have to be uh looking into your network after our call here because that sounds pretty amazing. I love nature. I was I was talking to you earlier, I was running late for our um our session because I was actually out nature walking and getting in my walk because I was really, I'm really trying to be intentional about getting outside every single day because I was like cooped up in this apartment for a year, trying to build, build my online business during a pandemic.

And it was like, I just didn't get out to the world. And so I've been really this year trying to to really prioritize that. So that's exciting. So I have to check your network out for sure, learn more about it and I'll share the links for anybody who's listening on the show notes, will be links to um to gorilla, the guerrillas website. And I um thanks to everybody for listening. I appreciate any subscribers. There's a lot of really great podcast coming up. We had just finished a three part series if you hadn't listened, if you're a new listener um to the location in the community, the community that I'm in actually interviewed the community host of that community, the community manager and also a community member. So we did a three part series on this community called location indie. And I've been in that somebody network um for about 3.5 years at this point. And it encouraged me to leave my corporate job become location independent. And and then be able to do things like this with lovely people, like a gorilla.

So thanks so much everybody for listening. Hopefully you're finding calm, anywhere wherever you are, whenever this finds you find calm and we'll talk to you next time, take care.