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That's that's sort of what life is all about. You don't have the knowledge and have the fitness, the healthy ambition and drive that no matter what comes along. When that next phone call comes, I can just say yes, I don't have to worry, just go and do it. Hey guys, welcome to this episode of the live transform podcast, I'm your host, Sean Cobra and joining me today is scott Robinson who is a personal trainer. He is one of the senior lecturers at the Academy of Applied movement neurology and he's also the creator of your own flexibility scotty, I'm excited to have you on the podcast mate, you're an absolute wealth of knowledge. I've been following you for a number of years and I met you a couple of years ago at one of the Mn retreats. Um as I said mate, you're an absolute wealth of knowledge and you're one of my go to guys when I want to look at specific content related to the brain. So welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me said you've been doing some pretty special things and I'm excited just to, just to get a start, just to get just to get a bait to get on the podcast and have a chat, so thanks for having me awesome.
Your instagram has absolutely blown up over the last year or so. We just spoke about a little bit offline, but for the listeners scott is the brain guy on instagram, You post some incredible content that is very easily digestible, which I totally appreciate me. You make complex topics so it comes across relatively simply so my brain can actually understand it and absorb it. So congratulations to you for being able to do that, but let's talk about how, you how that came about. Talk about your instagram first, give people a little bit of an understanding of what it's all about and then we'll talk about that journey of how you got to that point. Yeah, absolutely, okay, cool, so yeah, I am the brain guy on instagram and facebook and really how that came about is I said working with the Academy of Applied Movement neurology and yeah we were basically doing, I was at the time I was really doing was full time personal training and doing applied movement neurology with clients all the time and so Um that was making about 50% of my work 50 with the brain, 50% with clients doing physical work and movement, a lot of rehabilitation stuff um and so I started creating it just kind of came easily, it just really, it just fit, you know, it was like as soon as I died at that education, it was mind blowing, it was just an incredible rabbit hole of information and it was a completely different way of looking at the body um but it just made sense, it just really made sense and fit and I was just, it's like that, remember describing to David Fleming who is the creator of that system, saying, I remember remarking to him a number of times saying I feel like I've found myself in your system, you know, it's like just this whole thing of navigating neurophysiology and all these different brain circuits and it just makes sense.
So it was kind of one of the really the only time in my life, I can say that I've just experienced that consistently, that That flow state of just just, it all just makes sense and I can see where this is going. You know, I experienced it a couple of times as an athlete and it was fleeting and it was amazing what happened. Um but this obviously just fit just fit really well for me. So um as you said, we were doing some retreats and that's where you and I first caught up and retreat in Thailand in 2018 And, and then it was, it was literally after a different retreat in Bali in 2020 that the world just changed because that's when the current situation with health sort of really kicked off and was taking a grip and things in Australia really shut down and a change has been coming for me for a while and it just really became clear that it was time to kind of step up and be the brain guy, just literally do this full time and just actually help. Um, so I, you know, gyms were closed and I, I kind of left personal training pretty much behind, I still see a couple of clients and I still do movement with people that come to see me went face to face when that's required.
But um yeah, I'm just full time in this space now and And if I'm honest, if I'm 100% honest about it, I was just trying to be cool and helpful posting information, on on social and I could see the profound and life changing and miraculous results that I get with people one on one and I never really believed that I'd be able to help like that just posting information. I didn't really was kind of the throwaway information I was giving on on social and it wasn't until christmas this last year just gone, I just received, it was like an avalanche, an avalanche of all these direct messages from people telling me how much their lives have changed from all the information that I put out, what a difference it had made and it really, really blew me away. Um, and then when I realized, well I'm actually making a difference, like, okay, well now I want to get more so now it's kind of give to live, you know, just give and you know, just give be as helpful as you can. And I think then funnily enough, adopting more of that attitude is certainly when more people jumped on board and yeah, the page kind of really blew up and it's, it's much bigger now and it was, it was previously, but I just try and do that, just let you just try and give and some people take that information and then what more and they come and see me for one and one other people just take that information and do what is right with it with it for them.
So, um that's pretty much where we're at? Just, just trying to help? Just be cool and helpful, but maybe on a different level than when I first started, uh you provide some amazing content and I really appreciate it. Um and it's, there's definitely a number of posts that I've pushed off to my clients as well, you know, regarding things that we've spoken about in client calls and things like that, and then all of a sudden something of yours pops up and I'm like, boom, alright, that's like how I explained it probably not quite as detailed as scotty has, all right, but that makes a lot of sense, I'll send that through my clients, so I really appreciate it, man, let's talk about the applied movement neurology. So, as you said, I met you on a mastermind retreat in Thailand a number of years ago and I was actually, I was actually on that retreat whilst I was going through my Amen, Amen level, one practitioner of course, so I thought I'll go on this, I'll go on this retreat, I'll kind of use it to accelerate my learning my knowledge and I got there, man, I was completely out of my death like what the fuck?
Who are these people? Um you know, it was an incredible man, and it definitely opened my eyes to a lot of components that I was missing when it came to coaching, um particularly relating to the brain, so let's talk about applied movement neurology, how did you get involved with that system? Um and for the listeners, can you explain what a meme is? Absolutely, let's but I'll tell you what first let's for the listeners, let's just share a little bit of your experience, because I'll give you the other side of it, because being being a lecturer, being a presenter on that retreat when you turned up um I have to say. So the other guys there there was some chat because it was an advanced level retreat and you know, and basically in that system there's level 123 and then there's more advanced applications and so things were kind of at the level of the more advanced applications, people who've done level 12 and three and you're talking you're talking 2 to 3 years, study kind of thing to get there and like study doing, literally studying the brain and how complex that can be, and I used to be a fighter, you know, I used it as an athlete and I used to travel around the world on my own, just going all these competitions and people used to just kind of be really just marvel at and going, I can't believe you do that stuff and I always had the attitude that like maybe I'm not going to die wondering, you got to go back yourself, like you just have to back yourself, you know, and and I remember when you turned up because I didn't know you from virus soap and one of the other guys who was running it said like this guy sure has turned out like you literally just signed up for level one, he hasn't even done level one yet and he's like, this is like what's going to happen?
And I just thought like, hey back yourself, that's awesome, like good on you. And I've got to say like I really appreciate on that retreat how, you know, you could see it was challenging, but you know, you just, you were, there had a really good attitude, just kept your mind open, which is so much about what life is all about. Just have an open mind, absorb what you can take, what fits add, what's yours, discard what you don't need Bruce lee philosophy and off you go, you know, and and I had such a world of respect for what you did out of that because there's a lot of people would have been completely daunted by that experience and you know, and I could see you took it on and you got you got some really good stuff out of it, you know, like there was some stuff you missed, but there's some really great stuff that you definitely got and that was amazing. So how I came into applied. Thanks man, I appreciate it. Actually actually actually actually failed the exam three times before I ended up passing that. But yeah, I appreciate that mate, but look at this thing back yourself, don't die wondering, you know, you just, you just have to have a go, you know, and look if you're going to be in the fight game, I love, it's the sugar ray Leonard quote, you know, like that one thing, the one thing, you know, if you're going to be a champion, like you have to be able to believe in yourself when no one else will, you know, when you get when you can do that, you qualify, you know, and that's that's awesome.
So for me, how I came into applied movement neurology and really have all this whole, this whole journey started. So I said I was I was an athlete in taekwondo and this is the old school taekwondo, not the current one that's in the olympics and world of respect to everybody who's doing that now and go to the olympics and it's wonderful, but just back in the day it was different, it was kind of full contact and a lot of chaos and it was, it was hard. I literally, my first, yeah, the first international I went to, I witnessed a guy get killed, it was just like, wow, like this is pretty full on, it's very different now. So anyway, how I came into it was I was I was a personal trainer and I had that athletes mindset had retired from fighting and but I still have that mindset, I just want to be the best, like I want to be whatever I'm doing, I want to apply myself of, I've invested years into this level of dedication and focus that made me an athlete and I want to be the best at this. So um I was doing a lot of rehabilitation work and it really adorned on me that I was doing a lot of physical movement, I was moving arms and legs, was moving limbs and peripheral areas of the body, trying to fix long term movement dysfunction.
And you know what really what struck me was that really, there was essentially driven signal. There was something in that control center, there's something on the motherboard of the computer upstairs that was sending an altered signal and it was, it was creating a different pattern that was maintaining these different movement dysfunctions and really what I was doing was moving arms and legs, hoping to try and overwhelm that signal via repetition. And when I realized like she, if there is just a switch up there, if there's a switch or something, the button we can press that just changes that pattern. Well that would be way more efficient because what was, what was happening to me was just being a personal trainer, Mums and dads, I was seeing people for one hour a week, two hours a week, you know, and I had these really fancy exercises that were great, but it wasn't like working with elite athletes, they wouldn't go home and do them again. They wouldn't go and practice them each week and do the necessary volume of repetition to be able to affect a change. Um I just see them for over a week.
Yeah. And they would then go and get it wrong for the other 167 hours of the week and then come back and there'd be no change. So I was literally just lifting and it has to be a better way to do this, you know? And then, so it was it was that synchronous moment of just a facebook. And I literally saw the two guys from Applied Movement Urology on facebook and firing a reflex to make a pectoral muscle becomes stronger and this light bulb just went off. It's just like, that's it, this is that has to be it, that's the answer, you know? And you know, a little bit like you, my first experience was not the successful one I was looking for. My first experience was I signed up and I basically got their calisthenics program, I thought I was getting the therapy program, I got their calisthenics program went right through it, got to the end of, this is not what I'm looking for, but I was sure there was an answer there. So I kept diving back in and then I found the the level one level two certificate that like certifications and went through those and um and it was just you know I was hanging on by the skin of my teeth trying to get through that first course, barely thinking I was going to be able to do it.
Really struggling to understand that it was so complex and I went to work the very next morning, feel better about myself. Oh my it was just I was but I remember sitting in that room thinking looking at all these people thinking you're not going to get this, you you don't get it, you know like I barely get this, this is and I just thought I'm going to work tomorrow morning, I start at 5 30 whatever I understand from this has to be in play tomorrow morning at 5 30 AM. Otherwise it's gone like I just have to start and I went in and the first client and then the second client 6 30. I resolved to long term movement dysfunctions that I hadn't been able to make a dent in over like a two and a three year period and they were just gone. I was just like this is amazing, okay right that's it right there. Yeah, mind blown, mind blown. And I was like clients are brought in, I bought in, that's it, let me sign up for something else, I can study. Um And that was it that I was just often racing after that so I just couldn't couldn't get enough of it and if I had have known how much work and how much study I was going to do before I kind of signed up for that first course, If I'd known how much work was going to be involved, I probably wouldn't have signed up, but it was all just self motivated and self driven and it's just it's this incredible rabbit hole that when you dive into it, you know, you just there's no bottom, there's no end.
You know, we still there's so much more, we don't know about the brain and what we do know? So you just learn every day. That's a great point, mate. Like the more you, the more you learn, the more you realize, you don't know, right? And if you had, if you had a look at all of the the education that you would have been um consuming over that time and how much time, energy and effort required to get to the point you right now, it would have been overwhelming, right? It would have freaked me out. And it's really similar. It's actually really similar to what I get with a lot of people on social media now, because that was my context, my context for understanding and learning back then was really just my experience from school, which to be honest, was pretty terrible. So, you know, I didn't know how to learn and it was I was just really slow, I couldn't read, I could hardly, I just couldn't get myself to read books because it was so slow and frustrating, you know, I always said my greatest my greatest achievement at school was that I academic achievement was that I won the english prize in my repeat year of year 12, I repeated the HSC and I won the english prize without having read a book because I've worked out at the start of the this is just not going to happen, I can't read, I just I have to figure out another way to do this.
And so I literally just in my mind I made mine movies of the content when they were discussing it in class. I never heard in my movies, I just knew that I was good at movie quotes, I thought like what if I turned into a movie, I might be able to remember it and so I did that, I thought I'm just going to commit to commit to asking really stupid questions, I don't care how stupid I look, I'm just going to ask the questions if I need things to get clarity and get some understanding, I'll write it down, you know, I'm good at public speaking, I'm really good at creative writing um and then I'll just try and zero in on a few of those little quotes that you need to make it look like you know what you're talking about when you write an article, when you write an essay and um and I won the english price, but and that was like, I was a kid, the first time around, I was doing english in all the, in the class, all the kids who were speaking as a second language because I was just that bad, you just couldn't read. Um but this thing with neurology, it really is, there's there's frequencies in learning, there's different frequencies, there's visual frequency, there's auditory frequency, there's kinesthetic frequency, you've even got olfactory, like you smell frequency and different words have different connotations to them and a lot of those frequencies of cause stress there cause stress on the brain and so that's why if you read a book, some authors you can just gobble up and you'll just love and you'll read every book that off has ever written and then you'll try and read something else and you find yourself just being stuck where you're just distracted or you just can't information doesn't go in because the brain is experiencing a level of stress, so I was experiencing and I think we've probably nearly all frequencies and I had no idea what was going on and then this concept in neurology we talk about is redundancy and redundancy is just having multiple different pathways that are not necessary, but there's extra pathways to the same information, so what I was doing, I didn't understand this at the time, but what I was doing was always creating visual imagine pathways to that information when I was creating mind movies and I was creating auditory pathways by by listing what was what was going on.
I was just creating all these different pathways that just were the information was able to reach the memory and actually be able to be there sit be processed and be understood, be retained. Whereas the stress that was being caused by those other frequencies from just trying to read it and absorb it from literature, that information just was those pathways were just not being accessed. So I look back at it now and I'm still very proud of what I did, I didn't understand what I was doing at the time, but it highlights the fact that anyone can learn, you know, there's anybody can learn, it's just this, you know, we just have blockages that we potentially just accept and then we create limiting beliefs, saying I'm a slow learner or I'm not smart or all these other things that are just not true, but we create and then we we we really reinforce those those blockages as a result. So that was my experience in you're learning in school. That's a great point mate. Like you figured out how you learn, you have the system to find what works for you to be able to one absorb this information but then be able to retain it.
So that's something I want to talk about is like the brain is constantly making its best guess via all of the senses, right? We get this sensory input. It all comes together in the brain and the brain creates its best guess of what everything is being or how it's perceiving the world. So let's discuss that for a moment. You know, how important is it to be in tune with your sensory input so that you can I kind of understand that what you're seeing or how you're perceiving the world is simply that it's just a perception. It's not your reality. Mm It is and it's unique. It's unique unto you know, two people will be in the same situation and perceive the situation exactly the same. It's your perceptions that create your reality. So if everybody's having a unique perception and then everybody, even in that exact same situation, you've got two people side by side, they'll have their own perceptions. But they'll also have different ideas about that situation, about what's happening. And so no two people will experience the same situation exactly the same. Which is also to say that no two people experience the same reality.
So everybody's creating the unique individual reality. Which means we're potentially talking about just an infinite number of different realities really. So I believe that it's actually really important. Probably the most important thing is to understand your sensory feedback, understand be clear about the information that you are getting. And then when you can transducer sensory information that you're receiving from the environment from other people when you can make sense of that and you can organize it and you just clear about it. Well then you've actually got some information to work with. You know, if there's entropy, like if there's chaos and the information, if you're struggling to make sense of it, struggling to put order to it and organize it, then you're just not going to make effective or at least consistent decisions about the information, the perceptions that you're having. So I think the thing to kind of realize what research is that, you know, we are, we're interpreting the world via our senses, but the brain wants to run on autopilot, it doesn't want to calculate, it doesn't want a computer, doesn't want to figure things out in the moment.
It just wants to be able to recognize, see, understand compartmentalize what that information is that I've got and then run a program to execute whatever action is that I need to take. And if you're kind of wondering what that looks like. Most people have had the experience of driving to work or driving to drop the kids off at school and then kind of been a bit of a daydream get there and not even remember the trip and just got did I run someone over like what happened, you know, and your brain is literally just taking in the information and it's all familiar so you can switch off and daydream and until something that's unfamiliar, something novel something out of the box, like a kid running in front of the car or something jumping out at you until something like that happens. You just kind of roll along on autopilot just taking your just absorbing everything in the in your peripheral vision, cortical focuses kind of dialed out and you're just driving along and really not computing anything and then you can literally arrive at your destination and I don't even know what happened like jesus, what did I do this? The default mode network really that's talked about in neuroscience. So default, default mode network runs with um on ruminating thought and it pops up a lot of anxiety and whatnot.
And so the default mode network can be, can be involved. But essentially um when you're dialed out like those programs, it's that the mind is something greater than the than the brain and I don't think we can say that the mind is literally in every single cell of the body. Like the subconscious mind you can say is that aggregate intelligence of all the intelligence is in every single cell in the body. So I don't know if we want to sort of just limit it to kind of one brain area, although that brain area will most certainly be involved. Um but yes, so essentially, you know what we're actually looking at is if we can actually Pay attention and what we're talking about is present moment awareness, like present moment awareness, you have this incredible machine upstairs. This incredible computer that is a quantum field of information literally processes some like 40 billion bits of information every single second or is capable of doing that. And if we just allowed to run on autopilot, we just accept the information, We accept those habitual perceptions about the world we're seeing and nothing changes.
We just, we recreate the same experience day after day after day when we get present and present moment awareness, if you how deep you want to go in present moment awareness because it's a it's an amazing topic that can change your life. Um see if I can I can see if I can tie it off into a A beautiful little about three or 4 minutes if you okay, so present moment awareness where the nervous system, where the brain and the nervous system is going to experience its greatest degrees, greatest levels of communication is in present moment awareness. Okay, so, and then when we say the brain and if you're an athlete, if you are in present moment awareness, when you have those higher states of communication, athletes have incredible levels of communication throughout the nervous system because their nervous systems, they're the brains that are literally in control of far more in the body and a much greater degree of control in the body. So, if you're in present moment awareness, the brain is communicating far far more optimally with more areas right throughout the organism. Now, what present moment awareness means is that basically the past, when we look at the past, when people say the time is an illusion sounds really cool.
Like you sound like you're an enlightened consciousness when you say, hey, time is an illusion and it's great. You can say that but I really haven't heard anybody be able to explain it to me. So it sounds great to say it's a cliche but it's really explained. So time is an illusion in that if you think the lower level of mind, the subconscious or some will say the ego, the ego will create this illusion of time. When we experience the past, we experience president, we experience the future. Now the past, it's just a collection of what we've perceived about events that had happened. So that when we look back in our memory it's not what actually happened. It's not what's truly happened. It's what we remember via what we what we perceived. And even to a degree science does the same thing in science. Uh Physical Newtonian three D. Based science doesn't acknowledge the observer effect which basically means that it doesn't acknowledge that the scientist just by the very virtue of looking at his own or her own experiment is affecting that experiment. So We don't actually know what 100% what happened.
So when we look at the past and we draw information from the past to try and figure out what's happening in the present, we're kind of drawing from a false resource. Like it's to a degree, it's an illusion because it's just our perception and we have no guarantee about our perception being real and certainly not being the same as somebody else is the future is a construct of projections based on the information that we've collected from the past, which again is a collection of our perceptions. So the only time that is real is now the only and when we say in quantum physics that the universe exists in an eternal present moment, the only aspect of time that has any link to eternity or any any connection to the eternal is now. So when you say that cliche, the only time is now most people, a lot of people will have a stress response to that and say you know that's just very very stuff. You're just you know what you're trying to say is that the future doesn't matter. Um the reason they experience that because if you think about taking the passed away people get worried that well how am I going to organize the present?
I don't have that information. The information that information is doing 100%. So all that information is what's shaping your experience of the present. But all that information is locking you into this habitual experience of the present. So when you let go of that completely. People get worried that there's going to be chaos. But really what we experience his love, we actually just experience the president beauty of the present moment. And so it's that present moment that is the only it's kind of the only aspect of time that is actually real the past. We don't have any guarantees about how real our memories are. You think if something happened to you that was really bad or traumatic, I mean you've been war you know and some of the experience that you have had that you look on like you know brothers in arms and you know like these moments where we really really forge some strong bonding relationships. Like you're gonna look at some of those moments and they might have been hard and tough but there'll be something that was just really special about it to you And other moments that were just tragic and really traumatic. You know over time via our filters and biases. It's like those those moments seem worse. You know those perceptions kind of shift so and what we're doing is if we impose the past on the present then we just continue to we continue to shape the present via our perceptions of the past and we stay stuck in that same experience of life.
So that present moment is where you're asking the brain hate. Don't run the program. Brain just pause stop the program for a second. What's actually going on. What's true and then you dialed in then you're listening to your senses. So then you're really taking that information from the senses. So what were you saying about really getting good information? Good quality information from your senses? That's it, that's present moment awareness. If you're just allowing that past experience to be imposed on the present, then you're looking at the present through the lens of all those subconscious programs that you've created from your past, from your past perceived experiences. So it's a pretty deep, it's a deep topic to go into. But really it's like when we say, the only, the only time is now, it just means the only time that is actually really, truly real is now kind of makes sense to focus on this. I don't want to focus on an illusion in the past and losing the future. Just focus on now and the brain will be its greatest. It's amazing things. That's brain explosion. Um You know, you made a great point though, like, I don't suffer from PTSD or haven't had any issues, you know, as everyone does, like had my ups and downs a little bit, but not to extremes, But I've got some made to suffer from PTSD and have suffered from PTSD quite extreme in the past.
And, you know, when I talk to these guys, it comes down to the stories that they tell themselves from something that happened 10 years ago, right? And then they're carrying that those stories and how they perceive those certain events and circumstances into their present and then, you know, those stories are affecting their mindset right now, which then affects their again, projection into the future, like, well, I can't change there. So why would I bother doing that and blah, blah, blah? And it's like, well, if you just change the stories that you tell yourself, you're now changing your perception to, you know, how you look at those events which then affects you in the present, which then impacts your ability to change your future and control the outcomes of the future. Understanding that what you're doing right now is going to impact where you're moving. Yeah, 100%. And, and really what it is, and it's going to say, it sounds really challenging if you're one of those states. And um, if, you know, if you're dealing with PTSD, I've seen some amazing things with PTSD, like, the mind is just limitless, It really is, it's absolutely limitless.
Like, I've seen PTSD cases that, you know, uh, emergency services workers, police officers, you know, returned like, vet um, completely turned around in one or two sessions, but you have to be really open and willing to look at that. And it's, and it's, and that is challenging. Like, you need to be able to connect with the desire for what you want, and that's something that's really easy to lose when you when you're stuck in those past stories, as you say, but really what you're looking for, and if anyone is in that state who's dealing with those conditions is listening to this, then what you're looking for is you're looking to just imagine what would this present moment looks like if I had absolutely no information from the past at all, what if the past didn't exist? You know what if I had no information to run on? Like what would, what would I be experiencing? You know, and just imagine it and this is the thing exactly what you're describing when you're saying that some of your friends are dealing with these um these conditions and these states of being the brain is the greatest virtual reality machine in the known in the known universe.
Like it is absolutely incredible at creating its own reality. So, and this is why working with the subconscious mind is so powerful, but it's also why someone who really struggle to get past it because the brain is just so egotistical. But if it believes something, if it believes that I am traumatized and I'm not safe, it holds that belief. If it goes out into the world and its experience of life doesn't match with that belief, it won't look at the world and go, oh geez, I better reevaluate this, that actually looks safer than I thought it was going to be. It doesn't do that at all. It's so egotistical, it will just change the world to fit with its belief. It will make the world look like a really scary place. So really what we're doing is just you're just looking to imagine, just take yourself, take yourself out of the past, trying what does the present look like? Just imagine it, what does this present moment looks like? If I had no information at all about anything in my past and that might sound really daunting, really challenging, but you only need to do that for a second, You do that for one second, you've created new neural pathways that makes you more capable of doing it the next time for two seconds, which then makes you more capable for doing the next time for four seconds and you can build on it.
Like there's there's absolutely even just doing on your own, there's always hope, there's always a way forward. So that present moment awareness is just such a powerful thing, that's a really beautiful thing. Like I said, if you can let the past go, the only thing that exists in the present is actually love. It's quite, it's quite a profound thing when you get there, let's pause on the present moment awareness, how can we train ourselves to become president? I did read your post a couple of days ago, I think it was maybe it's a while ago, I don't recall on you basically saying, you know sometimes when you walk to the fridge and then you get there and you're like, oh what the heck am I doing here? I can't remember what I was doing and you were looking at, you know, things that were going on your life and you basically found that, you know, you were going on your phone and just scrolling through social media mindlessly and then once you realize that you're like, all right, I'm going to create some intent when I go on there because then that's going to bring you back to that present moment awareness. Can you speak about that for a moment and give me some tools and the audience some tools for being able to cultivate that skill because it is a skill.
Yeah, absolutely. That was actually scary because I thought I was having early onset Alzheimer's, um I thought I was losing my memory. I was literally, I was experiencing it quite regularly. I was just like I said, going to the fridge and getting and going, I don't even know what I'm doing here, what's going on. I literally, and I thought there was things wrong with my memory, but thankfully, as I said, I actually have the skills to be able to go and check and find out what's going on. I found out there was nothing wrong. I had just trained myself not to pay attention and literally like just used social media and just scrolling through facebook and instagram posts and literally just scrolling through at high speed, waiting for something to grab my attention. I was just training myself not to pay attention. So there's nothing wrong with the memory circuits, I just trained myself not to take any information in and I just become, I just become that mindless zombie, you know, when I was on social media and then that was playing out in other areas of my life. So um really, so what we're looking at a really simple thing is just slow right down actually, if you're going to be on social media, actually slow down and read posts. So don't allow yourself to scroll slow down and pay attention a little bit of detail and say, look right, I'm going to notice three details about what about a photo or if it's a video, I'm going to notice 33 sounds.
I'm going to actually read the caption on these things, you know, and you may find that actually gets you off social media a little bit faster because it's not the experience that you're kind of looking for, but you can set it up at the start of the day. So the first thing and this is really powerful because a lot of people wake up, use their phone as their alarm, wake up, it's the first thing they look at. So number one, you're kind of throwing your circadian clock off because you're having the first light of the day is that false light from the phone and have you much better if you, it's a really, really simple practice trying to get at least two minutes of natural light, try to make the first light of the day, just natural light. So you want full spectrum sunlight, you want to actually be able to get outside and experience all spectrums as the sun goes from sunrise all the way up to the to the peak of its altitude in the sky, because there's the different frequencies of light are going to change as the sun changes position in the sky. But you want to get out and get that early morning light because that is literally that's kind of confirming for your super charismatic nucleus, which is the master clock in your circadian biology, or it's the master clock in your chronobiology, you have more than just one set of rhythms.
We've got, we've got untold number of rhythms in the body, but the one we know about most is circadian your daily rhythm. And so you kind of set that clock up, you set that clock up to be running truly. And nearly every, nearly every cell in our body has some rhythmic city about it. It has, has a clock about it and they're tied into the, into the master clock. And when every single cell is running on the same time, kind of makes sense, the organism functions really functions appropriately. If you have different organs, different cells, different parts of the body that are running in a different time zone, your your system cannot function ultimately. So that light at the side of the day is actually really important. So, and it does a number of different things, but try and get at least a couple of minutes of natural light before you look before you look at your phone, the next thing you could do is actually don't look at your phone, make a rule that you don't look at it for the first hour. If you can try and go your first hour, just get up, have breakfast, go and do a five minute meditation, do a 20 minute meditation right down your to do list for the day. Just just get clear about what you actually want to get out of the day.
So what you're doing is you're setting up your intentionality, you're setting up your brain, you're setting up the program for, right, What do I want to get out of these situations that I'm going to be presented with today and what am I looking for? I'm looking for learning or looking for growth. What am I looking for? You know, you may just note down a bunch of tasks and the thing is those tasks will be in your awareness to the day in a much better chance of actually getting them done. And then once you've done that, you know, after you first a little meditation, you've eaten breakfast, you've brushed you, brush your teeth, you might try and do a few things with with your non dominant hand because that actually makes you makes you pay more attention. Again, you're actually paying attention being present in the moment. So you can do tasks, try and brush your hair with your non dominant hand, brush your teeth with your non dominant hand again, really focuses your brain and made to pay more attention. And then once you've done that, and by the time you get on the phone, you've kind of got the neurotransmitters set up for the day as to how you actually want them to be. And you have in your mind running the programs you want to be running to be present and get the things done that you want to get done when you look at your phone, first thing, you hijacked the circadian biology, but you kind of hijacked those neurotransmitters and you hijacked the mind and we just get wired into looking for that dopamine hit.
And so really short term focus, really looking for that instant gratification, really not looking for anything, you know, long game, not looking for anything that we're looking to get out of the day. We're just looking like where's our next hit? And we're going to kind of be my numb, you know, as we go through the day looking for it. And so if you want to test it, you know, definitely try one day on one day off and just see with the to see how you go and you see what kind of which days you're way more productive on it if you do it literally just set that first hour up effectively. The difference. The comparison is really stark. It's actually just simple tips and they're really effective. Absolutely, mate, that is the hour of power. You literally just rattled off my morning routine by the way. So you're sitting there all smugly looking like you're at the head of the class as well. Well done, right? Give myself a little clap, That's great. And tying back into what we were talking about before. You know, those, those, those sensors, you know, your circadian rhythm is guided by your senses.
You know, that light spectrum hits your eyes and that creates a physiological response of producing certain chemicals and hormones and etcetera, etcetera. We're literally just getting the physiology aligned and getting everything working like a well oiled machine. As you said, everything works together, right? So if some of those systems are out of whack, then it's not gonna be working like a well oiled machine. Everything's going to be clunky, you're not going to be, your energy levels are going to be a little bit off your um, you know, everything is going to be a little bit out of whack, which is not going to get you running smoothly, It's not going to get you thinking clearly. So no, I think that's I think that's great advice mate. Let's talk about the difference between hardware and software when it comes to the brain. Okay, so hardware, software, we talked about the hardware being all of the neural circuits, neural pathways. So literally all the hardwired structures that are in the brain. So the brain, you have something like 86 billion neurons in the brain. That's part of the hardware. Between those neurons. There are anywhere from 10,000 up to 40,000 different connections between neurons, which is just means, it's a absolutely, just astronomically high number of different connections between neurons in the brain.
So that's all the hardware and we can create new ones. We can create new way more new connections between those between neurons. We can actually create new neurons as well, which is which is also an amazing, amazing concept to think about, that's our hardware. We're all wire About 50% the same. So because you think every experience that you have, you're going to create new connections around that experience as you try and understand it, and you're trying to encode that information. So, your life experience is very different from mine, and very different for the next person, the next person and so on and so forth. And so those experiences that you've had will have created a unique Profile of connections in the brain. So we say, we're all wire about 50% the same. And then another 50% is really down to our life experience and the different programs that we run, the parental software that we run because our different parents give us different information and we subscribe to their beliefs because they're the authority figures in our lives and you know, certainly are different teachers and our friends and all that sort of stuff. All of that literally reshapes these different programs.
And it's those programs that we kind of call the software. So the software is literally the firing patterns and the way the way that those different electrochemical signals and electrical signals run fire throughout the brain and the different programs that we have stored. So if you look at, if you look at the subconscious mind, we can say that thought when it reaches the subconscious mind, thought instantly becomes a belief. So I thought in the subconscious mind is a subconscious belief. Reason for that is we say the subconscious mind is a lot like a child's mind. It's like a little kid. It doesn't think critically. It doesn't argue. It doesn't debate. It just it literally just accepts If information reaches the subconscious space, it's a lot like a little kid that just accepts. So when if you look at a little child and mom and dad say you're just a lovely little child, aren't you? So caring, so kind that child completely believes it because they're not arguing, they're not thinking critically about that information. They're just accepting what's what's said and that gets laid down as a new program. So I thought that reaches the subconscious base is a subconscious belief.
Now. Those beliefs, those beliefs write programs, those programs dictate our emotions, our thoughts, our behaviors, our feelings, our preferences, our biases, our physiological states of being, they dictate our movement patterns, they dictate so much throughout our life. And so I'm gonna assume so your, your vocation doing what you're doing, being as amazing as you are at it. I'm going to just give you an example of that in an athletic sense. And so in my lifetime, I, my father was an incredible distance runner, probably should have gone to three olympic games in the, in the end went to none because he literally just got, went to, went to the States on a scholarship and just got ruined, you know, with injuries and whatnot, but ransom just unbelievable times. And you know, and I as a little kid infatuated with that, I thought I was going to be a distance runner just like my dad, I want to be just like dad. And so I saw myself as a distance runner, saw myself as this incredible endurance athlete and I had a big engine, you know, I could, I could run and run and run and I just wouldn't get tired and I saw myself as the slow twitch athletes and I never made it in athletics.
I did okay, you know, made state made nationals, did a bunch of things went overseas, but I never really wasn't a world beater and I wanted to be a world beater. So I ended up switching sports and when I found taekwondo and I found a different coach and I still remember the moment and this is the thing with the subconscious when you are suggestible, that's when you can get information into that subconscious mind and you can change the software. So a coach, someone who is really trusted, really respected that athletes listen to when a coach speaks in an impassioned voice and impassioned sense That information can really reach the subconscious and so you you can put this really powerful information is the coach that can change your athletes. So you kind of need to make sure that you're careful about what you say, you know, you're just your your 100% genuine, you know, and you just don't give them falseness because you'll you'll retain that power in that relationship with that mind that you're working with. So this particular coach of mine, he called me over to his house for a barbecue one evening, um, and sat me down after dinner and just had a chat and just literally just laid out on the table my whole future and just said, look, mate, stop stressing, stop worrying, you're going to be Australian champion, you're gonna go overseas, you're gonna win all these camps, you're going to do this, that and the other thing, you're gonna beat all these guys that you're worried about and the words that just absolutely dropped my jaw to the floor was he just said, I remember you said you got all the natural talent and you got all the fast twitch muscle fibers that you need, like you're going to do amazing things.
And I just thought fast twitch muscle fibers like are you kidding? Like I don't have, I don't have a single one of those on the on the slow twitch guy and he found it, he literally got my brain looking for these fibers. So they were there, I just wasn't using them, my brain wasn't accessing them. And I actually ended up becoming one of the fastest guys in the division because this guy believed in me gave me that belief. My brain started looking for those fast twitch fibers and they were available when I started to kick and punch and my whole game changed. So you kind of programmed yourself that you program yourself to think that you were slow twitch because you had an engine, you were endurance based at that stage. And then he was like, he saw you training, I was like, oh this guy's got some fast twitch fighters and he said that to you and then you started looking for those fighters and started training in that in that manner. That's that's crazy man, It's an amazing thing. So it is what you think. So this is the saying is seeing is believing it couldn't be more false. So seeing is believing something everybody says you will be able to perceive the things that your brain believes are there to perceive.
So the things that your subconscious mind believes are there for your visual cortex to be able to transducer and interpret. That's what you'll end up seeing. You know, it's like what you believe. So when you believe it first then you'll be able to see it. So it's like we talked about those states of communication in the nervous system, my brain couldn't see, couldn't see those fast twitch muscle fibers. So I was going to training coach was saying kick as fast as you can. I was kicking and consciously I was frustrated because I was really slow, right? So I was frustrated but my brain which was running the program, I am a slow twitch athlete. My brain was looking at that going no, no, that's right, No, no, we're sweet. That's that's the belief that the program is exactly what I expect. Whereas when he changed the program to I'm a fast twitch athlete and then I went and kicked and it was really slow and I was still frustrated. My brain looked at that and just went, that's not right because we're a fast, which I think it's got to be fast and that and all of a sudden like speed started to improve, you know, and it was and look, he gave me the appropriate drills and the training techniques as well. But You know, it was 100% the mind understand that scene that completely changed the picture.
So it's really powerful stuff and that's the that's the power of changing that subconscious mind. When you change that software, you start running different programs. The output is completely different. So, and as a coach, if you're an authority figure, if you're, if you're a trusted authority figure, um you have a lot, you've got a lot of influence, you have a lot of power, you know, of your athletes to change those programs. So, understanding that is such a powerful thing and, and any, any good coach will probably have had those moments that I'll be able to tell you, that it just, you give athletes those words and they become like self fulfilling prophecies, you know, and it's like, but that's what's happening, you know, you're, you're shifting those programs, then the athlete just goes and makes it happen. Mm That's a great point made. That ties into what I was speaking about before with my mates with PTSD and the stories they tell themselves, right? Like I looked at certain events that they went through as well, and I just reframed how I told myself that story and I was like, well, what can I, what lessons can I take away from that? And, you know, that changes your perception, that changes your changes that that program, right? So then you can use that program to benefit you in the future rather than, or in the present moment, which is going to impact your future rather than, you know, negatively impact you.
Yeah, that's uh that's incredible stuff. 100%. And can I just say, so what you just said there is actually really powerful, really key and it's like it's a beautiful strategy. So um, if anybody wants to take a leaf out of coach codes book, that's like a really awesome thing to do. So what you just said, you know, traumatic situations, stressful situations and you looked at it and just said, well hang on, what lessons can I take out of that? What growth is available for me? Like how can I reframe that and look at it differently? So think of this depending on the level of mind you're at if you're existing in duality and duality is a lower level of mind where we see pairs of opposites, everything is positive or negative, right? If you're into it. And for in duality then really all events are neutral. If we're living holy holistically then everything is perfect. And it's like basically that's but neutral, perfect. There's no positive or negative. So you can say all events are neutral until someone comes along and judges that with an incomplete awareness. And when we judge with an incomplete awareness, we're judging it with the brain judging means that we're drawing on past information and judge and judgment becomes impossible without the past.
So if we're judging things, we have to be drawing on information from the past so we can make sense of this moment and then apply a judgment and the judgment will be some level of rejection and remember the brain has a negativity bias. So it's always going to er towards that side of negative and see more negative than the positive. And so like we just said your visual cortex or your senses are going to perceive, they're going to they're going to transfuse the information that the brain and the programs believe is there to perceive. So if we're inherently negatively biased then like that we're going to get more of that information. So when you look at a situation and we think all events are neutral. If we actually look at it instead of instead of just jumping at the negatives that seem glaringly obvious and we say actually there's growth here available. There's like what am I learning out of this? Who is this affecting in a positive way? Who is this? How is this affecting me? Where's the meaning? The meaning isn't available here? The meaning might be available decades down the track to this to this moment. And then if I can just leave that event neutral, I can actually take the growth and the learning out of that.
I don't get stressed and I can actually just be calm and be with it so be we're going to be with what is So the question that I get clients to ask is when people are really stressed and really trying to judge a situation really negatively and like traumatic traumatic events from war is right up there. Um if you can just ask yourself, you look at the situation and you say, okay, the universe is perfect. All situations are neutral and I know all situations in neutral just because they are or I know this is perfect because the universe is perfect. So therefore this moment must be perfect. I can just whatever I need to say to accept that and then look at and say, okay, do I have full complete and whole quantum awareness? Quantum awareness means like all quantum and take everything that's entangled to this moment, over distance, over time, every person that somehow involved in this situation or not like every possible thing that is involved in this moment, Do I have full awareness over all of those things and how they're being affected by this moment throughout the course of eternity?
Because remember the meaning to what's happening now in that traumatic incident might not be available for decades, It might not even be available in this lifetime. So if we ask the question, do I have basically, do I have all the information? I'm trying to judge this this moment, Do I have all the information? Do I do I know how this is affecting everybody throughout the entire course of time? And if the answer comes back no, as it's going to be for most people, then you can't have to look at it. Well how can I possibly judge this? How can I possibly judge this moment effectively? Like I can't, I can't actually judge it effectively. So that means I've got really no choice than others to just sit with it and be with what is which means come back to that present moment awareness and then I can sit there and go, okay well where's the meaning when like where is the growth, where's the learning, what what makes this moment significant? And remember the brain hates an open loop and this is kind of like reverse engineering anxiety or reverse engineering O. C. D. Um What you're doing is creating a crest question that's going to drive the brain mad when you say, well where's the learning in this, Where's the growth of this?
I know the situation is perfect but I just can't see why right now that's going to annoy the hell out of the brain. You basically just throwing a hand ground. So like if you go brain deal with that, like go and find the answer for me and you're putting this amazing computer to work for you but for a good cause rather than just spiraling yourself out of control. So what you just said was awesome because that's 100%. The process is just reframe it. Look at it, what's, you know, how could I look at this differently? Where's the growth, where's the learning, like There must be something in this and just allow what you did is you gave yourself permission to allow yourself to just be with be with that moment and then funnily enough you didn't find yourself chronically traumatized. It's beautiful what you've done. Yeah. Thanks mate. Um That's I think that comes down to my NLP neuro linguistic programming um course that I did um which is you know, so powerful man. It's something I talk about on the podcast all the time. Um But I like what you just said then about, you know, the brain doesn't like an open loop. So if it does have an open loop, you know, it's going to look for an answer and if it can't find an answer, it's going to create an answer and you actually how you speak to yourself and how you um uh how you manage and organize your thoughts is going to determine what sort of outcome that your brain comes up with, What sort of answer it comes up with, whether it's going to be a positive answer or a negative answer.
Now, something that you uh this is a quote that I took from your social media again, it takes a conscious mind to change an unconscious mind. You know that I think that nice and neatly ties up everything we just spoke about. Mhm. It does, yeah. And it speaks to neuro plasticity and it speaks to adult neural plasticity. So the kids have, what we call passive neuro plasticity which basically means kids can learn like sponges, you know, you can literally just take a kid out to a playground. They've never done monkey bars before and you just look at one person do it, they just jump up and do it, you know? And like they literally just absorb information. Alright. I laughed at my little boy is nine and he's an athlete like that's who he is, He's just wired for it loves it sits in front of Youtube all day looking at athletics videos and my wife and I were stopped but we were saying him for quite a while let me, you know at some point you are going to actually have to go out and run. You can't just do all this, do it all on Youtube. And he's like, no, no, I got this, we stopped saying that after he went to his regional carnival and literally did he jump to 60 centimeter long jump people because he's been watching over and over again, the epic jewel between carl Lewis and Mike Powell, you know, in 1991 where they're jumping long jump world records and I've got photos of him and he's literally jumping with his arms all up and then Curling and throwing himself forward, tucking forward exactly the same technique because these guys are doing as an 89 year old and he's gone out and jump this enormous personal best.
But he's just absorbing it. It's just this just this passive neural plasticity by about the age of 25, we typically lose that and so we need to pay attention. So if we're going to change things, you actually have to pay focused attention to things. And so it's not until you're actually focused on what you're doing and applying, because then you're setting up the chemical, you're setting up the chemical environment in the brain to actually create, use synaptic connections and so via a single Colin largely. But also don't mean as well when we're actually paying attention in those states of focus attention, we can create those new connections between neurons and then we can literally we can encode information. So ways to do that uh novel stimuli. Like like I always say that the only brain that changes itself is that brain that's paying attention and to get it to pay attention. If you give the brain the same stimulate over and over again, it becomes a bit like that drive to dropping the kids off or drive to work where the brain just goes, I know what to expect here. It's if your coach I need to do this, I need to do this and it's got that blueprint already.
It just fires that blueprint doesn't pay any, it's Already got the program. Yeah, 100%. So it's like it's exactly say if you're a coach and you will have tried to coach people like lunges or squats and everything. You know you gotta ask them to do a squat. You show you show them some special technique if they've already been squatting for a few years there technique may be terrible but they're looking at it and unless you're throwing different stimuli in really barking up and to actually pay attention, focus on what I'm doing and really try and replicate this specific pattern, their brains looking at that and already just going yeah I've got I've got that squat thing and then they just step up and do it terribly. Um And nearly all coaches will have seen that you know and so um I go back to the old paul check story with that one and he used to say um that he was a gunnery sergeant in the in the U. S. Military. He said he you know he was teaching at the rifle range and he always said he loved getting ahold of female recruits far and teaching them how to fire a rifle far more than male recruits because you know the girls have turned up and I don't know how to do this just show me.
Whereas he said the guys had all turned up with john wayne syndrome. And so I've been watching the cowboy movies the whole on on how to do this. You know? And so he said it was far more than we had a program, an existing program that need to be broken down. So, novel stimuli in movement or just, you know, novel stimuli adding a layer of complexity to what you're doing? Um And again that can be auditory, it could be sound, could be noise, you could be adding a level of richness city. You can putting a metro into what you're doing and just just forcing or putting even putting a consequence. The things that we need. You know, you took for neuro plasticity, attention, urgency and alertness. So playing games and um and putting a consequence on things like in the fight game, you know, like getting used to go to asia and you get hit, you get whacked with a bamboo cane if you've got something wrong, like that was a pretty significant consequences. Like really major focus to pay attention and get it right. Um But anything that you can do that is literally going to get the brain to pay attention means that you can have a brain that's actually engaged in and actually trying to change itself. And again, that's really powerful.
Mm That's amazing, mate. Um Just to start wrapping up the conversation, what are some resources that you can point people towards? I know as you're speaking as we've gone through this conversation, I'm thinking of a couple of books that came up for me, like, you know, the power of habit and creating consistency with certain things that we do, creating those programs and also thinking fast and slow. Um What else came up, I think there's something else came up that I don't quite remember but um do you have any recommendations on resources that people can go to if they want to learn a little bit more about this stuff, Books, podcasts, audiobooks, etcetera, courses. Yeah, I like I reckon the dr joe dispenser stuff is all a really great place to start his stuff I think is similar to mine, all my stuff is similar to his like he's really good at breaking down complex topics and making it digestible so people can actually understand it. Um And he talks a lot about those programs that are running and actually trying to trying to um switch out from that.
Um So he's got a bunch of books and he's got a heap of different information about their on on social media. Um Jim Quick is a brain coach in the in the US who um he's got some books and a bunch of other resources there and he's kind of he's always speaking very much at the um at the level of action, you know like paying attention and the level of like your physical actions and just little hacks little things that you can do throughout the day. They're really great resources to um to look at and I think really good entry level resources to sort of to step into and look at. I've got his book, I haven't read it yet but it's on the list? It's on my Kindle the limitless, the limitless book. Yes. Yes. Have you read it? Yeah, it's a good book, it's a good there's a bunch of really, really good stuff in there, you know, and probably um probably some of the stuff or, you know, different takes on some of the stuff that we've covered today, you kind of, you'll find in there. Um But yeah, I think any anything in that space where I find personally anything in that space where there's personal growth, um just gonna make a start and then, you know, if you're inspired by personal growth as soon as you kind of realize what you're getting out of it, you make that start.
It's like, ok, I can't put it down on the way. So that's that's those those those first steps. Yeah, I love that. The idiot brain, That was the other book that I was I was thinking of written by neuroscientists makes complex topics really simple. But yeah, I I really appreciate this conversation. Um Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge um and experience with us and the audience. We've definitely got to get you back on again for the audience. I spoke to scotty and I, You know, said that I'd love to get him on for 2-3 episodes. We can cover off on, you know, the foundations in the first episode and then go into trauma. Um and dive a little bit deeper into some of those topics we spoke about today in the next episode and then potentially get him on um and make a little bit more relevant towards strength and conditioning movement stuff. So scotty, thank you very much for your time mate, really appreciate it. No, thank you for having me and yeah, anyone in the audience, if you've listened this far and you're still here listening in, then you have my gratitude for your attention and I certainly hope that you've managed to get some gems out of it.
Um and I'm generally, I'm open for help so people I want to reach out if there's something like if there's something that's really piqued your interest in what we've talked about today or you feel there's something there to work on then by all means feel free to reach out and if I can help them always try to make myself available, where can they find you back? The dot brain dot guy instagram facebook is probably the easiest way to go. Nice, I'll have that in the show notes, scotty once again, thank you very much, mate, really appreciate your time and your knowledge brother, cheers mate, thanks again for having me. It's actually really, really cool to get to have a chat. Finally awesome, thank you. This episode was brought to you by Swiss eight, which is a proactive mental health program designed by veterans initially for veterans that has been pushed out to the wider community that allows you to structure in and schedule their eight pillars of health and wellness, including nutrition, sleep time management, discipline, fitness, personal growth, mindfulness and minimalism. This episode was also brought to you by the spunky, which is a male hormone optimization supplement that I've been taking for about a year and a half night.
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